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The Reality of our "Content"
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Sephie Wrote:You can dissent and there's no problem with that but at least get the argument correct.
Your argument: Aliens and other monsters detract from other content in the game. Aliens are the most arrant offenders as the scale that they detract from is greater than the other monsters.

I know your argument, stop assuming that I don't. Do you even understand my argument?

Sephie Wrote:The gap between Monster Park and PQs is not as egregious as the gap between Aliens and the monsters listed. Your assumptions faster spawn+low exp = overcrowded don't agree with your views because of party play vs anything, Twisted Jesters vs any lvl70 mob, and Spirit Vikings vs Aliens. Also, Typhon Cliffs/Upper Ascent way back would have been completely empty by your logic yet it was a heavily trained map for mobile classes.
Completely misinterpreting the entire paragraph. That paragraph is showing that no matter what you do, the "better" place detracts from other content (attempting to, at least). Why should scale be important? KFT, Omega Sector, and Aqua Road are as abandoned as all hell. There is virtually nothing you can do to make them more appealing (KFT doesn't have many good monsters (Moon Bunnies and Samiho really) and most KFT maps have poor spawn on top of a bad map; Omega Sector is too far, for the most part even with the transportation changes; water physics kill Aqua Road). So why is it the scale that makes it so bad? So you nix Aliens. People just go back to training at DGPs and MDTs until 120 forgetting about the other maps.

Typhon example is irrelevant because pre-BB most monsters' HP:EXP ratios weren't normalized. If you look at a list of monsters, virtually all monsters within the same level bracket have similar HP:EXP ratios. Pre-BB it was all up in the air (ex: Lucidas compared to other similarly leveled monsters).

Sephie Wrote:I'm glad you enjoy that sort of thing with that attitude: shows what kind of person you are. Also, I like how nonchalantly you point out these facts and not even care about them. How does this affect you? It's not about you. It's about the game. Seems like you don't care for the game but whatever, you don't have to. If Aliens disappear, the gaps between the rest of the content are actually manageable and alternatives to 2nd best are actually viable.
Your entire argument shows the kind of person you are (if we're playing this passive-aggressive ad homenim game): You take small issues that regardless of what you do will forever impact the game, and chalk it up to be some reason why the game is so bad (or something).

So how does removing Aliens make anything in the game better? People would just mosey back to MDTs and DGPs and you'd basically have the same paradigm we're in now. Oh wait.... but to a lesser scale. Which makes it completely okay. .....Right? (Correct answer: No. Assuming you're playing by your own argument, that is.)

Riddle me this: If you train at MDTs instead of Aliens, how are they not viable? Why are they suddenly viable if Aliens are gone? Efficiency is the word you're looking for in that last statement. All monsters in MapleStory are viable for training (they all give exp), however some monsters are more efficient than others.

Sephie Wrote:Your EDIT: Put very simply, the ones on the left give more exp than the ones on the right. This isn't skewing reality: it's actually based on numbers. This of itself is typical but the main problem is how much greater the gap is between the two sides. And I seriously hope you just made this point wrong:

"Your pictures imply that by selecting a monster on the left, you are forgoing all those other monsters, implying that all of those other monsters are reasonable EXP."

If that is truly what you think, then you really are missing the point.

And even then, if you don't acknowledge it as even somewhat of an issue, it's fine if you believe training 3x longer as an alternative is a-okay. Your opinion is valid.
Typos abound. Should have said "unreasonable EXP." By segregating the monsters as you did, you imply that DGP is a monster that can't/shouldn't/wouldn't/whatever be trained on. This is especially true in the first three brackets (Skeletons, Scarecrows, and Jesters) as you can bypass those and level just as fast as someone who went there for those brackets, especially when there's a new class or 2x event.
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The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-10, 06:01 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Chilly - 2012-11-10, 06:19 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Zerard - 2012-11-10, 06:22 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-10, 06:25 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Zerard - 2012-11-10, 06:29 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Plasmablaster - 2012-11-10, 06:33 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Chilly - 2012-11-10, 06:35 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by street - 2012-11-10, 06:39 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-10, 06:39 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-10, 06:40 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-10, 06:55 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Words - 2012-11-10, 08:27 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-10, 10:07 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Kirov - 2012-11-10, 10:50 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Chew - 2012-11-10, 10:58 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by xiiliea - 2012-11-10, 11:15 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Chew - 2012-11-10, 11:33 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by KhainiWest - 2012-11-10, 11:46 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Cere - 2012-11-10, 11:49 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-10, 11:51 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by icephoenix21 - 2012-11-10, 11:54 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Jedward - 2012-11-10, 12:22 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-10, 12:31 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by street - 2012-11-10, 02:09 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-10, 02:22 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Bomber - 2012-11-10, 02:34 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by zantgx - 2012-11-10, 02:57 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by ShadeCaro - 2012-11-10, 03:00 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-10, 03:02 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by PirateIzzy - 2012-11-10, 03:24 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Dark Link - 2012-11-10, 05:23 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-10, 06:30 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Jamesie - 2012-11-10, 07:26 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Seanny - 2012-11-10, 07:27 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-10, 07:57 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by PirateIzzy - 2012-11-10, 08:13 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Cere - 2012-11-10, 08:38 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Jamesie - 2012-11-10, 09:27 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-11, 12:52 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Jamesie - 2012-11-11, 02:24 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-11, 03:55 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Plasmablaster - 2012-11-11, 06:03 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Polantaris - 2012-11-11, 07:38 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-11, 08:02 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Tukkun - 2012-11-11, 11:19 AM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Polantaris - 2012-11-11, 12:12 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Teigri - 2012-11-11, 12:18 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Curtiss - 2012-11-11, 12:32 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Bomber - 2012-11-11, 03:00 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by PirateIzzy - 2012-11-11, 03:34 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Sephie - 2012-11-11, 07:41 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by mithi9 - 2012-11-11, 07:54 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Polantaris - 2012-11-11, 07:56 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Soph - 2012-11-11, 08:52 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Storm - 2012-11-11, 10:20 PM
The Reality of our "Content" - by Polantaris - 2012-11-12, 12:16 AM

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