xBTAx Wrote:Spoiler
I agree with pretty much all of this, yeah. I liked the episode and kinda liked the ending but... yeah.
They did explain River's thing, although badly- she has the vortex manipulator (I think that's what it's called?) and can get back to/through the messed up time while the TARDIS can't.
Of course, why can't the Doctor just use one...? Probably something about the weird timeline stuff they attempted to explain in the end, I guess.
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Remember that this isn't the first time that a vortex manipulator was used and you need to put everything into context. Much of the vortex manipulator is explained in Torchwood through Captain Jack and John Hart. The Doctor explained similar to this: the vortex manipulator is like a motorbike that can get through the time traffic. The Doctor explained that the TARDIS is like a sports car, so it's much harder to get to certain spots. River allowed a signal to get through like a landing light so that the TARDIS could land.
To your second point about the Doctor using a vortex manipulator, it is much more complicated than that. I don't remember exactly how long, but The DoctorDonna said it would take about 10,000 years to make a TARDIS, you can only imagine even with 51 century technology it would take some time to even make vortex manipulators. There is also reasons the Time Agency was closed down, the vortex manipulators could have been this reason. Another point is that there are only a certain number of vortex manipulators left now that the time agency is no long operational. John said there were only 7 or so agents left. Even so, that is about 7 manipulators left along with a few like River Songs' manipulator or the Family of Blood.
Remember that this isn't the first time that a vortex manipulator was used and you need to put everything into context. Much of the vortex manipulator is explained in Torchwood through Captain Jack and John Hart. The Doctor explained similar to this: the vortex manipulator is like a motorbike that can get through the time traffic. The Doctor explained that the TARDIS is like a sports car, so it's much harder to get to certain spots. River allowed a signal to get through like a landing light so that the TARDIS could land.
To your second point about the Doctor using a vortex manipulator, it is much more complicated than that. I don't remember exactly how long, but The DoctorDonna said it would take about 10,000 years to make a TARDIS, you can only imagine even with 51 century technology it would take some time to even make vortex manipulators. There is also reasons the Time Agency was closed down, the vortex manipulators could have been this reason. Another point is that there are only a certain number of vortex manipulators left now that the time agency is no long operational. John said there were only 7 or so agents left. Even so, that is about 7 manipulators left along with a few like River Songs' manipulator or the Family of Blood.
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Spoiler
The "stare into the eyes of an angel and you become an angel" thing apparently didn't exist anymore.
And the whole "picture of an angel becomes itself an angel" thing apparently doesn't exist either. How many pictures of the angels must have been taken over the years? Seriously? What?
The Doctor was saying he could break the angel's wrist but it's been previously established that while they're quantum locked they're indestructible.
And what the pineapple was up with the baby angels in the cellar thing? Why are they there? They're just chilling there for no reason. What the pineapple is even their deal.
The whole statue of liberty thing....just none of that made any sense at all. None of it.
Rory just HAPPENS to encounter an angel in modern day New York? Nobody else encounters them? No disappearances? Nothing? ???
(The suicide scene was just kind of funny for me. While Amy attempts to grab Rory's hand to get lifted up, she just sort of grabs at his crotch area, which I thought was funny. When they first start jumping they fall horizontally, but then 2 seconds later they're both vertical hugging each other? What. And then Amy's face while they were falling...she looked like she was having an orgasm.)
They spent the episode building up to the suicide scene. The suicide scene was the climax. The paradox was the resolving action. The episode was *done* as far as any coherent and practical plot is concerned. The Ponds leaving randomly in the last 5 minutes of the episode just made *no sense.* If you're going to kill off 2 major characters of a show, at least build up to the point where they're killed off, not a point 5 minutes before.
Watch the last scene again. RORY JUST RANDOMLY DECIDES TO STOP GOING INTO THE TARDIS TO LOOK AT THE GRAVESTONE. He's in back of the gravestone the entire time. At no point in the episode was he staring at the front of the gravestone. He's just like "well I'm going to walk back a few feet and stare at this gravestone. Oh? It has the same name as me? what a crazy random happenstance it totally must not be connected to the angels or anything"
OKAY SERIOUSLY THE GRAVESTONE. IT'S JUST A pineappleING GRAVESTONE. THEY DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW THE BODIES ARE IN THERE. NOTHING IS STOPPING THEM FROM JUST GOING BACK IN TIME, RESCUING RORY AND AMY, AND BEING LIKE YO GUYS LET'S MAKE A FAKE GRAVESTONE WITH YOUR NAMES ON IT AND CALL IT A DAY.
AND HOW IS RIVER ALLOWED TO GO BACK IN TIME AND SEE THEM AND YET THE DOCTOR ISN'T? THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY ESTABLISH WHY THE DOCTOR WASN'T ALLOWED TO GO BACK IN TIME AND JUST TAKE THEM AWAY.
...And more. Sorry this whole season has just irritated the pomegranate out of me.
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My only guess to your comment about angels is that their are different types of angels. Similar to different Daleks/Cybermen. As for the baby angels and statue of liberty who knows, like I said different types?
As to the Rory being the only person to disappear; we don't know if there were any disappearances in the time Rory was in. There could have been and they never said.
As for Amy and Rory being stuck in the past, I am not entirely sure about that. I am skeptical with taking anything in Doctor Who literally-they leave holes open for practically anything. Remember that River LET Amy go and "blink." River knows much more at this time about The Doctor, Amy, and Rory at this time. (This is the 3rd oldest she has been/we have seen her.) We can only speculate why River let Amy go. Some say that Amy could have had something to do with Melody growing up.
Personally I think we will see Rory and Amy again, or at least hear more about them. The way they left it, left that option open. I know we want to think that they lived happily ever after, but we don't REALLY know. River told Amy something like, don't let The Doctor see the pain. We will never really know if Amy's afterword was truthful or what The Doctor wanted to hear. We don't know if Amy really found Rory or was sent to the same time. I still believe that they were and that Amy was telling the truth, but I would not be surprised if we see another story like Rose's ending.
We do have that 50th anniversary special coming along, but who knows. Don't forget "... on the Fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh, when no creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a question will be asked a question that must never be answered." I can only imagine the Paradoxes and time distortions that will cause.
My only guess to your comment about angels is that their are different types of angels. Similar to different Daleks/Cybermen. As for the baby angels and statue of liberty who knows, like I said different types?
As to the Rory being the only person to disappear; we don't know if there were any disappearances in the time Rory was in. There could have been and they never said.
As for Amy and Rory being stuck in the past, I am not entirely sure about that. I am skeptical with taking anything in Doctor Who literally-they leave holes open for practically anything. Remember that River LET Amy go and "blink." River knows much more at this time about The Doctor, Amy, and Rory at this time. (This is the 3rd oldest she has been/we have seen her.) We can only speculate why River let Amy go. Some say that Amy could have had something to do with Melody growing up.
Personally I think we will see Rory and Amy again, or at least hear more about them. The way they left it, left that option open. I know we want to think that they lived happily ever after, but we don't REALLY know. River told Amy something like, don't let The Doctor see the pain. We will never really know if Amy's afterword was truthful or what The Doctor wanted to hear. We don't know if Amy really found Rory or was sent to the same time. I still believe that they were and that Amy was telling the truth, but I would not be surprised if we see another story like Rose's ending.
We do have that 50th anniversary special coming along, but who knows. Don't forget "... on the Fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh, when no creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a question will be asked a question that must never be answered." I can only imagine the Paradoxes and time distortions that will cause.