Any 4th job Warriors getting Stance?

PLEASE contact me before doing your El nath PQ. I need to get Dragon Breath and yeah, there's a distinct lack of warriors without Stance.

Maybe there's some who's willing to take for some mesos...oh something like 5mil, 1k nx or 2 apples...

Hmm who am I kidding, you find anyone like that here.

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Maybe there's some who's willing to take for some mesos...oh something like 5mil, 1k nx or 2 apples...

Hmm who am I kidding, you find anyone like that here.

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Hm, could you be possibly referring to...
http://southperry.net/forums/showthread.php?p=84753
lol

Maybe there's some who's willing to take for some mesos...oh something like 5mil, 1k nx or 2 apples...

Hmm who am I kidding, you find anyone like that here.

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that is a disgusting practice that I will not support. You are abusing the system and you should be banned for scamming. >_>

that is a disgusting practice that I will not support. You are abusing the system and you should be banned for scamming. >_>

I might be guilty then. I requested a "donation" of 1 mil after I helped people get their skills. But I also told them they didn't have to do it. Made 4 mil xD

that is a disgusting practice that I will not support. You are abusing the system and you should be banned for scamming. >_>

While I feel people should just be kind enough to help others get their skills from ENPQ for free, I don't agree with your statement at all. Maplestory is all about services, especially nowadays. People sell leech, people sell boss-clearing services, people sell Zhelms, people sell HT pendants, etc. There is nothing wrong with selling services, despite it being a bit selfish at times. Regardless, as long as he delivers the skills after they pay, he is NO way scamming.

There is nothing that says the skills in ENPQ are "supposed" to be given out for free, now is there? No. It's just kindness that makes them free. However, at this point in time, it's much harder to get inside than it was back when 4th came out. There's nothing wrong with someone taking advantage of the lack of Warriors going and providing the skills for others, at a cost.

While I feel people should just be kind enough to help others get their skills from ENPQ for free, I don't agree with your statement at all. Maplestory is all about services, especially nowadays. People sell leech, people sell boss-clearing services, people sell Zhelms, people sell HT pendants, etc. There is nothing wrong with selling services, despite it being a bit selfish at times. Regardless, as long as he delivers the skills after they pay, he is NO way scamming.

There is nothing that says the skills in ENPQ are "supposed" to be given out for free, now is there? No. It's just kindness that makes them free. However, at this point in time, it's much harder to get inside than it was back when 4th came out. There's nothing wrong with someone taking advantage of the lack of Warriors going and providing the skills for others, at a cost.

And I don't think ANY of those things are right. If I were a GM I'd probably get fired rather quickly as I sat outside the Zakum altar and banned sellers all day. >_>

There is something wrong with people taking advantage of a situation to make a profit. In my mind, this is just the Maple version of charging poor people for the water they need to live. Watch, when he grows up he'll probably be a sweatshop manager. This is where exploitation begins.

There is something wrong with people taking advantage of a situation to make a profit. In my mind, this is just the Maple version of charging poor people for the water they need to live. Watch, when he grows up he'll probably be a sweatshop manager. This is where exploitation begins.

Sounds like a Vanderbilt business man to me >_>

In all honesty, the ENPQ shouldn't have worked out this way. All the warrior has to do is ... because of how the combat system works >_> Not the original intended purpose.

There is something wrong with people taking advantage of a situation to make a profit. In my mind, this is just the Maple version of charging poor people for the water they need to live.

Not necessarily. Given the situation, it's more like selling clean fresh water in a drought area. Obviously, it would be more kind to give it away for free, but he isn't forcing people to buy water that would've otherwise been freely available. He's providing a service - key word providing - but he charges for it. If people don't want to buy, it won't hurt them.

That said, I agree that all the things mentioned are horrible practices. But there's not much you can do. It's like the cigarette industry - you can refuse to buy them and frown upon smoking, but you can't really get rid of them.

And I don't think ANY of those things are right. If I were a GM I'd probably get fired rather quickly as I sat outside the Zakum altar and banned sellers all day. >_>

There is something wrong with people taking advantage of a situation to make a profit. In my mind, this is just the Maple version of charging poor people for the water they need to live. Watch, when he grows up he'll probably be a sweatshop manager. This is where exploitation begins.

Somebody's a little drastic.

Yeah, you would get fired, as you rightly should. Selling services is a great way to provide people things - and it's not against the rules of MS.

No, there isn't. Yeah, it could be bad, if it was some sicko in real life charging to keep people alive. But often taking advantage of situations, while yes it does selfishly benefit the person/group, it still helps those in need. When there's a need for something that people can't easily get themselves, it encourages those who can to help them.

Your statement about him becoming a sweatshop manager is completely retarded. Stupid. Yes, because he is helping others get something for a cost, in a game, he is going to become a CRUEL, HEARTLESS SWEATSHOP MANAGER. YES. You're thinking in pathetic absolutes and saying crap that couldn't be farther from the truth.

But wait! I guess I'd understand better if I was living in PERFECT WORLD where everyone was completely selfless and helped EVERYONE with EVERYTHING for FREE, ALWAYS!

There is something wrong with people taking advantage of a situation to make a profit. In my mind, this is just the Maple version of charging poor people for the water they need to live.

Because it's how the world goes round? If you take a look at the real world, what is free now? Free sample cookies has strings attached -> they want you to buy more. Free web hosting -> ads on your site. I wouldn't go as far as comparing to charging poor people from free water since 2 apples or 5 million isn't that far out of reach for a level 120 character.

Selling services and goods is how a society functions.. provided the services and goods is delivered as promised. Isn't that what we're all going to college for? To be educated to gain a skill in which we can "sell" that service to the community.

Though things such as skillbooks, zhelms, pendants, etc were "meant" to be free and earned, you don't have to buy any of those services and can certain earn yours yourself nonetheless. I suppose it's what this derailed thread was about eh

o.O so no one thinks it lame that he would have to like...pay for a skill from a PQ that doesn't even take long, I got my book like within the first few kills. I mean this is a game right...not real life...I suppose maple has some sort of society...but even I would do some things for free still.


I'll help you find a warrior out there that will be doing NathPQ...screw the greedy maplers lol. Sheesh...everything can be brought on this game now...soon people won't even level their accounts...they will just buy a 120 account.

lolleechers...


o.O Maybe I should have charged you for killing that Griffrey for the Hero's Will quest.

Somebody's a little drastic.

Yeah, you would get fired, as you rightly should. Selling services is a great way to provide people things - and it's not against the rules of MS.

No, there isn't. Yeah, it could be bad, if it was some sicko in real life charging to keep people alive. But often taking advantage of situations, while yes it does selfishly benefit the person/group, it still helps those in need. When there's a need for something that people can't easily get themselves, it encourages those who can to help them.

Your statement about him becoming a sweatshop manager is completely retarded. Stupid. Yes, because he is helping others get something for a cost, in a game, he is going to become a CRUEL, HEARTLESS SWEATSHOP MANAGER. YES. You're thinking in pathetic absolutes and saying crap that couldn't be farther from the truth.

But wait! I guess I'd understand better if I was living in PERFECT WORLD where everyone was completely selfless and helped EVERYONE with EVERYTHING for FREE, ALWAYS!

Of course I'm being drastic. No MMO's economy is supposed to be based around services. That's not what they're for. They're all about the production of goods. The fact that pretty much the main two ways to make money in Maple, now, are prostitution (Leeching) and scamming (Merchanting) proves there's something wrong. Maple's economy is now too dependent on these things. pineapple, every single one of these so-called "Services" directly undermines the game's purpose. Don't wanna level up? Buy some leech! Don't like your equips? Buy a slot in a Zakum run! Don't have the skills you need? Not to worry, some profiteer will come by soon enough and offer you a way to get it, for a nominal fee of course.

Hell, what's left in the game? Basically what we have now is people pouring money into Gachapon, selling Gachapon items, then using those mesos to level up their character They don't play it at all until 120, at which point they have no idea what they're doing and quit shortly afterward. Can you really sit there and tell me that this is right? That THIS should be encouraged, that it should even be allowed? Hell, it's hurting Nexon in the long run because these people would likely be playing much longer without leeching, and spent more money over time, than they would with their little binge-gach and leech routine.

Maybe my example is a bit extreme, but that's how it really works. When these people are out in the real world, trying to make money, what will they reflect on? They remember how they made money in games, by selling off something that shouldn't have been sold in the first place. By taking advantage of the poor to make a quick buck. Hell, this is how we got into the current financial crisis: exploiting the poor with subprime loans to make a profit. This is just training people that that's how you make money, and it's going to set us up for another disaster in the future.

I Do not merchant. I do not sell quest items, or leech, or anything of that sort. I will never take part in such activities. I guess that means I'll be stuck with no more than 10 mil forever, but I'd rather be poor and maintain my morals than give in and support this corruption. Hell, if I wanted to, I could use my inside knowledge of what items quests will need from KMS or whatever, and stock up on those, and sell them at patch time for a tidy profit. But I have never done this. I gave everyone fair warning about Red Whips for Legendary Spirit, a detailed list of quest items for Showa, Emeralds for Singapore... I believe that these kinds of things should be shared, and that just because I have the ability to take advantage of a situation, doesn't mean that I should.

Just because this is how it is, doesn't mean this is how it has to be. Be a man, take a stand, and don't take part.

Because it's how the world goes round? If you take a look at the real world, what is free now? Free sample cookies has strings attached -> they want you to buy more. Free web hosting -> ads on your site. I wouldn't go as far as comparing to charging poor people from free water since 2 apples or 5 million isn't that far out of reach for a level 120 character.

Selling services and goods is how a society functions.. provided the services and goods is delivered as promised. Isn't that what we're all going to college for? To be educated to gain a skill in which we can "sell" that service to the community.

Though things such as skillbooks, zhelms, pendants, etc were "meant" to be free and earned, you don't have to buy any of those services and can certain earn yours yourself nonetheless. I suppose it's what this derailed thread was about eh

It is for me, because as I stated momentarily, after making the costly advancement, and getting the more crucial mastery books, I'm down to a mere 10 million, which is slowly eroding away. Paying 5 mil for this skill is half my money, and I can't be doing that. so yes, it IS a big deal. And if this fee is so inconsequential, why even be asking for it in the first place?

Selling services may be how our real society functions, but it's what's destroying Maple's society and it needs to be put to a stop. And don't anyone try to pull out that "It's just a game" argument, that's complete BS and you know it. These are still REAL people you're playing with, who spent REAL time getting where they were. Blowing them off, hacking, scamming, these all hurt real people. Directly harming or depriving others for personal gain is wrong no matter what world it takes place in. The fact that someone is willing to do it in a game means they have the capacity to do it in the real world, and they will eventually if they aren't told it's wrong.

And yes, that's what I intend to do. I didn't buy my Zakum helmet, I didn't buy my Bigfoot toe for the Sheriff's badge. I will be earning all the skills that I can. It just so happens that this particular skill has my hands tied. If it comes down to it, and every single warrior wants to turn this into a profit opportunity, then I guess I'll just never have Dragon's Breath. I'd rather give up on the skill forever than silently condone this injustice by paying for it.

o.O so no one thinks it lame that he would have to like...pay for a skill from a PQ that doesn't even take long, I got my book like within the first few kills. I mean this is a game right...not real life...I suppose maple has some sort of society...but even I would do some things for free still.


I'll help you find a warrior out there that will be doing NathPQ...screw the greedy maplers lol. Sheesh...everything can be brought on this game now...soon people won't even level their accounts...they will just buy a 120 account.

lolleechers...


o.O Maybe I should have charged you for killing that Griffrey for the Hero's Will quest.

Yeah, it would be pretty lame. But I don't think you're getting the point I'm trying to make. I'm only refuting Isaac's stupid absolute views that SELLING THINGS NOT "MEANT" TO BE SOLD = SCAMMING AND DISGUSTING. If someone wants to provide a service, there is nothing wrong with that. They are helping people in return for a payment. That is in no way evil, against the rules or a sign that they are going to grow up and become sweatshop managers. Goodness.

If you don't want to pay for the service, that doesn't give you the right to go and treat a guy who wants to provide such a service like crap. Some people help others for free; some people help others for a cost. It's not a right/wrong, good/evil type of thing.

And nor was I even telling him to go buy it! Not many would do that in this case because it's so easy to find someone who will help you for free, even though it takes a bit longer to find those people nowadays since there's not a big rush of people doing it.

Ugh, Maplestory's turned into a buyers and sellers market, not a game >_>

End of story.

EDIT - I didn't mean you have to buy and sell stuff to get through the game. Some people like Isaac, and me just like to go through the game with I guess honor. I personally think earning your stuff is a hell of a lot more worthwhile then just buying it and what not.

Especially skills and levels >_> Maplestory is corrupt.

Of course I'm being drastic. No MMO's economy is supposed to be based around services. That's not what they're for. They're all about the production of goods. The fact that pretty much the main two ways to make money in Maple, now, are prostitution (Leeching) and scamming (Merchanting) proves there's something wrong. Maple's economy is now too dependent on these things. pineapple, every single one of these so-called "Services" directly undermines the game's purpose. Don't wanna level up? Buy some leech! Don't like your equips? Buy a slot in a Zakum run! Don't have the skills you need? Not to worry, some profiteer will come by soon enough and offer you a way to get it, for a nominal fee of course.

Okay, and where does it say that besides in your mind's idealistic view of how things should be? I've never sold leech, nor will I. I've never "merchanted," nor will I. But that doesn't mean I'd be so dense as to realize they aren't near as EVIL as you make them out to be. Goodness gracious.

I have no idea why you're sitting so high and mighty on your high horse on this matter. Where the heck is this "game's purpose" you keep referring to? Can you show it to me? This GAME'S PURPOSE is to have fun, like any game. Everyone achieves that in a different way; and so long as that fun doesn't come at the cost of making others suffer, why does it matter how they do?

Oh, and I'd love to hear your views about the perfect society where everyone should be able to Zak when and with whoever they want. A system is needed. I hope even you can realize that...but now that's opening a whole new can.

Hell, what's left in the game? Basically what we have now is people pouring money into Gachapon, selling Gachapon items, then using those mesos to level up their character They don't play it at all until 120, at which point they have no idea what they're doing and quit shortly afterward. Can you really sit there and tell me that this is right? That THIS should be encouraged, that it should even be allowed? Hell, it's hurting Nexon in the long run because these people would likely be playing much longer without leeching, and spent more money over time, than they would with their little binge-gach and leech routine.

Translation: BAWWWWWW Why are you still playing MS?

Where was I calling this RIGHT? Goodness how many more people can miss my point? Let them play the game how they want, and you can play the game how you want. I take pride in leveling my character myself. But there's nothing wrong with people who'd rather do it other ways. Sure, we all have our opinions about them. But tell me, if they are affecting your ability to have fun so much, why are you playing? And Lol @ the Nexon statement. Oh yeah, it's hurting Nexon big time. Destroying 'em.

Maybe my example is a bit extreme, but that's how it really works. When these people are out in the real world, trying to make money, what will they reflect on? They remember how they made money in games, by selling off something that shouldn't have been sold in the first place. By taking advantage of the poor to make a quick buck. Hell, this is how we got into the current financial crisis: exploiting the poor with subprime loans to make a profit. This is just training people that that's how you make money, and it's going to set us up for another disaster in the future.

Yeah, your example is pathetically extreme. That was just stupid. No, it isn't how it really works. It's like the idiots that preach violence in video games creates violent kids. HURRRRR. It's called bad parenting. The vast majority of the population playing MS isn't going to go and do what they did in MS in real life. I love your last statement. MS = corrupting the future and making an evil society! HECK YES, it's the downfall of the world as we know it.

I Do not merchant. I do not sell quest items, or leech, or anything of that sort. I will never take part in such activities. I guess that means I'll be stuck with no more than 10 mil forever, but I'd rather be poor and maintain my morals than give in and support this corruption. Hell, if I wanted to, I could use my inside knowledge of what items quests will need from KMS or whatever, and stock up on those, and sell them at patch time for a tidy profit. But I have never done this. I gave everyone fair warning about Red Whips for Legendary Spirit, a detailed list of quest items for Showa, Emeralds for Singapore... I believe that these kinds of things should be shared, and that just because I have the ability to take advantage of a situation, doesn't mean that I should.

Congrats, neither do I. BUT WAIT. I do participate and help groups that sell Zhelms and HT pendants. Oh frick, I'm evil. I am a terrible person for assisting a group and other players who want Zhelms/Pends. I am even more terrible to expect a small payment for my time and own money spent. Absolutely evil. And yeah, you should totally be whining about being poor. Your character is doing just fine, and if you weren't such an extremist riding upon high, you'd be doing even better.

Just because this is how it is, doesn't mean this is how it has to be. Be a man, take a stand, and don't take part.

Thanks for the sermon. I actually do take a stand against many of the things that have become common practice in MS (leeching, merchanting, gaching, etc). Heck, I'm a huge moralfag myself, but I'm not too dense to see things with an open mind.

It's like the idiots that preach violence in video games creates violent kids. HURRRRR. It's called bad parenting.

Sorry to butt into the argument, but I just wanted to state that violent video games DO lead to violent kids. There's reports on it everyday in the news.

Try researching it sometime

Sometimes it's bad parenting most of the time no.

By the way, pull that stick out of your ass and quit bitching.

Who's peaching?

FelixTM. All Isaac did was state his opinion that he doesn't want to buy it and then Felix proceeded to argue against his opinion.

So quit bitchin.

Sorry to butt into the argument, but I just wanted to state that violent video games DO lead to violent kids. There's reports on it everyday in the news.

Try researching it sometime

Sometimes it's bad parenting most of the time no.

By the way, pull that stick out of your ass and quit peaching.

LOL

Goodness some people really are stupid. I guess you're too young to even grasp such a concept, eh? You honestly think those people that go and do horrible things like school shootings did it because they wanted to live their shooting game in real life? Haha, wow. It takes a seriously screwed up person, who has lived a life of intense mental stress to reach that point. The game didn't cause it. AT MOST, the game gave them an idea how to vent their messed up state. The game didn't make them that way. The game didn't make them do it.

Next time, before saying such pathetically stupid things to me, YOU need to realize things aren't always so simply black and white. And by the way, why don't you go back to kissing up to Isaac and your ways of "honor"?

FYI, there's a thing called refuting and expressing my own opinions, as well.