Weaponless Dmg Formula?

Not likely.

4.8 vs. 3 str multiplier -> 320 atk knuckleless (20 glove+cape+shoe, onyx apple) = 200 atk knuckle (80 knuckle + 20 + 100)


If you can't afford a level 100 scrolled knuckle yet, maybe.

There's something I noticed too when leveling a gunslinger in KMS. I do more damage without a Knuckle than with a Knuckle with my stats, which obviously has more DEX than STR. This doesn't apply to Brawlers, though.

It's possible that your dex affects weapon attack, then. I tried Stereo's formula and it didn't work.

I got one that comes kind of close with everything except Hazzy's level 30-31 numbers.

Bare hands ATK = level/2 + 13
Damage = (STR * 3 [* 0.1] + DEX * 1.25 [* 0.9]) [* another 0.9?] * ATK / 100

more data in pictures :O

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I remember in kMS, The max dmg formula for infighters, was the same as teh max dmg formula for axe fighters. Thats why Att bwgs have an massive inpact on your damage.

The formula (4.2*STR+DEX)*31/100 seems to work for all of my data points, as well as SniperJohnE's. I'm currently working on generalizing this formula for all levels, figuring out at which levels Weapon Attack changes, and figuring out the minimum damage formula.

Edit: I'm going to need more data. Stereo, I cannot make any sense of your data whatsoever. I don't understand whether or not a knuckle is equipped. I don't care about damage with a knuckle. The formula should be the same regardless of what class you are, and damage with knuckles is useless data, at least until a formula can be derived to compare to the knuckle damage formula, which we already know.

Edit2: Well, I figured out Stereo's numbers (although there's a contradiction for the damage with a 8 att glove with 78/22 stats), and they fit the pattern (4.2*STR+DEX)*22/100 with the glove, so (4.2*STR+DEX)*14/100 without the glove. The intervals where weapon attack changes is still eluding me, however. My damage with the stats 31/174 has remained constant from level 35 to 38, and since the formula works for SniperJohnE as well, I'm going to say that the 31 weapon attack works for levels 33-38.

The fact that Hazzy's screenshotted damage range does not fit any weapon attack with a 4.2 STR multiplier is killing me. Now, unless LUK matters in the formula...

Stereo's data, cleaned up:

lv. 17, 78 str 22 dex +0 atk = 9-56
lv. 17, 78 str 22 dex +8 atk = 12-76
lv. 17, 79 str 22 dex +8 atk = 12-77
lv. 17, 80 str 22 dex +8 atk = 13-78
lv. 17, 81 str 22 dex +8 atk = 13-79
lv. 17, 82 str 22 dex +8 atk = 13-80
lv. 17, 83 str 22 dex +8 atk = 13-81
lv. 17, 83 str 22 dex +0 atk = 9-59

At least that's how I'm interpreting it as.

Ah, I think both the STR and the level multiplier change as you level up then.

I'm levelling my other gunslinger up by using fists only and not using any skill points...

10 STR 55 DEX, no other bonuses other than defense and accuracy from a 3 dex glove.

level 10: 9~14
level 11: 9~14
level 12: 10~15

I'm hoping to discover a pattern before it hits level 15 and I grow tired of training it.

Wait, can 2nd-4th job skills be used w/o a knuckle, or just first job?

And knuckle mastery should make it worth your while to have a knuckle EQed.

Wait, can 2nd-4th job skills be used w/o a knuckle, or just first job?

And knuckle mastery should make it worth your while to have a knuckle EQed.

ANY Brawler skill can be used with bare hands except for Booster.

I don't believe we have reached a conclusion on this.

I'm not sure if this has been answered, but how fast are bare hands?

I'm not sure if this has been answered, but how fast are bare hands?

I haven't tested it, but I'd guess its as fast as a normal knuckle? :f6:

I heard it's Faster (2). which is awesome if it's true.

Lol @ how 11 people suddenly are viewing this thread.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1470/...006fp9.jpg

Here's a pic of my Strless Dex Brawler at level 30--with an 8 Atk WG.
I really want to get the formula down--so let's all pitch in, kay guys? I'll provide a picture of my Bare hands range every level to help out.

I heard it's Faster (2). which is awesome if it's true.

Lol @ how 11 people suddenly are viewing this thread.

I was close?

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1470/...006fp9.jpg

Here's a pic of my Strless Dex Brawler at level 30--with an 8 Atk WG.
I really want to get the formula down--so let's all pitch in, kay guys? I'll provide a picture of my Bare hands range every level to help out.

Does your damage change when you remove the Atk Glove?

Does your damage change when you remove the Atk Glove?

Yeah, let me log on real quick and take Four screenshots--one with ATK Gloves and lv 10 knuckles, one with just lv 10 knuckles, one with atk gloves and bare hands, and one with just bare hands.

Yeah, let me log on real quick and take Four screenshots--one with ATK Gloves and lv 10 knuckles, one with just lv 10 knuckles, one with atk gloves and bare hands, and one with just bare hands.

Bare hands with and without a 10 Atk WG should help with the weapon atk of hands.

Bare hands with and without a 10 Atk WG should help with the weapon atk of hands.

As of level 34:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1917/...009pq8.jpg Barehanded w/8 Atk WG
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7306/...010vx4.jpg Barehanded without 8 atk WG
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8895/...008kx8.jpg Lv 10 Knuckler w/ 8 atk WG
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5720/...011hy3.jpg Lv 10 Knuckler w/ 8 atk WG

;D

BTW, my Avoid is through the roof due to the dex abuse.

Yey. Numbers. <3
Eight more attack increased your max by almost 1.25, and exactly 1.25 on your min. So I think you have 32 attack on your bare hands without out it. :O
Now where did 32 come from....? Two less than your level?

Also, STRless Brawler. Pro.