Coin Exploit

The thing is, unlike actual meso exploits, the sum total mesos on the server is unchanged. Which is what they're referring to. In the last meso exploit, hackers were giving themselves mesos, then buying out FM shops. That introduces vast swathes of mesos to the economy. This just introduces a few specific types of scrolls.

For that matter, I'd view it as a positive thing if merchants gave hackers hundreds of millions, and then the hackers got banned. The only way to improve the NX ratio is if mesos become worth more again.

It is never positive to fund the hacking community at the expense of legit players. And I believe the original topic was on the impact to the economy, which I gave sufficient examples of impact, some good, some bad. On the topic of impact, "improving the NX ratio" does not refute that it did not impact the economy, quite the contrary. In addition, the below quote may help show more impact, I did not watch the video, but the explanation seems on track.

That's not entirely true.

There's a reason they made all items 0 mesos.
Whether or not they realize that the above was happening is yet to be seen.

Yes, the rate of generation is relatively slow compared to old methods, but still miles and miles faster than normal accumulation.
Basically, people were scripting it so that they would generate max coins, then sell them, then generate max coins, and so on, all without moving (since the two NPCs required are right next to each other).

The fact they didn't ban anyone yet really irks me. If they had the ability to ban anyone who traded in anything but maple weapons for coins, they obviously didn't. And unfortunately as shown above they totally missed the most malicious part of the whole exploit.

I guess this was what I was hoping for though, but I had hoped they would just manually delete everything.

The fact they didn't ban anyone yet really irks me. If they had the ability to ban anyone who traded in anything but maple weapons for coins, they obviously didn't. And unfortunately as shown above they totally missed the most malicious part of the whole exploit.

I guess this was what I was hoping for though, but I had hoped they would just manually delete everything.

Yeah, some players are posting that they still have hundreds of scrolls from using the exploit and are calling nexon's announcement a bluff...

Guess we'll have to wait until the 15th to see how nexon will handle this and hopefully >.>, they learned that its best to resolve these exploits as soon as possible from now on.

The few Chaos that I bought I had purchased on a mule that I didn't care about, so if it gets banned it's whatever. I'm willing to take the risk.

That really irks me. How the hell can a person know if an item was bought from a legitimate seller? There's no way to tell a legitimate seller from an illegitimate seller in the FM. So why punish people for something they couldn't possibly avoid or tell the difference? If I played the game, I would be nervous to buy anything from the FM because I could be banned willy nilly for something I didn't know I was doing wrong.

The moment you see a dozen smegas going off selling cscrolls for 1m each (and later down to 100-200k) when they were 8m each the night before, you should already know something is wrong. If you see 16 stacks of csrolls being sold for a mere 5% of its worth and you buy it anyway, you know full well you're supporting hackers. Just like all those stacks and stacks of PoTs being sold by ToT vaccers.

Stop buying from hackers!

The few Chaos that I bought I had purchased on a mule that I didn't care about, so if it gets banned it's whatever. I'm willing to take the risk.

I just hate the fact that everytime I take a break from maplestory during an exploit, players who abused it gets to profit while those who ignore it in fear of getting banned loose out.

Such as when my guild talked about the dark? tokens dropping from newties.

I decided to continue training at wyverns since it appeared to be a glitch while they made a good amount selling belts and nexon fixed the drop rate...

Same for the 50% scrolls.

There was a topic in basil from the mage section with players scrolling their gloves/shoes with chaoses for magic attack now that they were cheap enough and some made 10+ mag att items.

Next time there's an exploit, I'm using it. >:/

Does anyone not see the major problem still here? What about the billions that were given to hackers in exchange for the exploited chaos and 20%s? Now the scrolls are worth nothing and everyone looses out except for the hackers? Talk about a WINDFALL! No bans yet, and they have 6 DAYS to launder the illegal mesos through different mules and accounts before bans go around? I feel really sorry for those whom thought they were getting a good deal and spent all the money they had on chaos and 20%. Now they are asked to destroy what they bought without getting their mesos back.

THIS is why hackers exist. Because you can make SO much money at virtually zero risk. Playing a game in god mode while every other peon spends cash on NX must be thrilling. I feel nothing right now but disappointment for those whom got ripped off, but you can bet there are a lot of people out there just jumping for joy at how well they worked the system and got away with it.

Does anyone not see the major problem still here? What about the billions that were given to hackers in exchange for the exploited chaos and 20%s? Now the scrolls are worth nothing and everyone looses out except for the hackers? Talk about a WINDFALL! No bans yet, and they have 6 DAYS to launder the illegal mesos through different mules and accounts before bans go around? I feel really sorry for those whom thought they were getting a good deal and spent all the money they had on chaos and 20%. Now they are asked to destroy what they bought without getting their mesos back.

THIS is why hackers exist. Because you can make SO much money at virtually zero risk. Playing a game in god mode while every other peon spends cash on NX must be thrilling. I feel nothing right now but disappointment for those whom got ripped off, but you can bet there are a lot of people out there just jumping for joy at how well they worked the system and got away with it.

Everyone was fully aware that some kind of action will be taken with the scrolls. Why do you think they hackers tried to liquidate them so quickly? If you bought it anyway you have no one to blame but yourself. You're lucky nexon didn't decide to just (hell)ban everyone who bought them like in previous exploit outbreaks

Does anyone not see the major problem still here? What about the billions that were given to hackers in exchange for the exploited chaos and 20%s? Now the scrolls are worth nothing and everyone looses out except for the hackers? Talk about a WINDFALL! No bans yet, and they have 6 DAYS to launder the illegal mesos through different mules and accounts before bans go around? I feel really sorry for those whom thought they were getting a good deal and spent all the money they had on chaos and 20%. Now they are asked to destroy what they bought without getting their mesos back.

THIS is why hackers exist. Because you can make SO much money at virtually zero risk. Playing a game in god mode while every other peon spends cash on NX must be thrilling. I feel nothing right now but disappointment for those whom got ripped off, but you can bet there are a lot of people out there just jumping for joy at how well they worked the system and got away with it.

This isn't an intrinsic problem with the game. This is a problem with the COMMUNITY and the DUMBASSES who think they'll get away by taking advantage of hacker schemes. (You don't have to use forums to know this was CLEARLY a hack related problem. Look around the FM for 5 f'ucking seconds and tell me all that stuff was legit. I and everyone else will laugh in your face.) Hackers are going to win regardless. This is the truth. But they won't if the rest of us use COMMON F'UCKING SENSE like me and Locked who didn't touch those damn scrolls and will be fine because of it.

This isn't an intrinsic problem with the game. This is a problem with the COMMUNITY and the DUMBASSES who think they'll get away by taking advantage of hacker schemes. (You don't have to use forums to know this was CLEARLY a hack related problem. Look around the FM for 5 f'ucking seconds and tell me all that stuff was legit. I and everyone else will laugh in your face.) Hackers are going to win regardless. This is the truth. But they won't if the rest of us use COMMON F'UCKING SENSE like me and Locked who didn't touch those damn scrolls and will be fine because of it.

Exactly. The only thing holding back nexon from chain banning all the hackers and their mains is because of everyone being too willing to accept hacked meso/items. As someone posted a few weeks back, the community is becoming too acceptant to hacks. And nexon is reluctant to ban everyone who was in contact with hacked items because it's too widespread and they are pressured by the potential lost sales from "legits" who would quit. If you're truely legit, you wouldn't buy from these hackers. And if everyone would stop buying hacked items, nexon would not hold back on banning hackers.

What nexon needs to do is stop looking in the short-term and getting pressured by the potential lost sales and just ban anyone who buys these hacked items. They need to look in the long term to save the game. They need to tell the community that there is no tolerance for benefiting from hackers. It will greatly reduce the community's acceptance to hacks, make people reluctant to buy hacked items, limit the distrubtion/effect of the next exploit, and as a result make it much much easier to chain ban all the hackers.

Nexon did not say a single thing about banning the hackers that SOLD all of their Chaos Scrolls and are now benefiting with billions of mesos. They ONLY said they're going to ban the people holding the hacked Chaos Scrolls.

L> Roll Back. Screw the hacking community that made billions and billions. I would rather lose out on several levels, some good scrolling, and cubing than allow the hackers to make billions while I, and many other legits, lose money AND scrolls.

Does anyone not see the major problem still here? What about the billions that were given to hackers in exchange for the exploited chaos and 20%s? Now the scrolls are worth nothing and everyone looses out except for the hackers? Talk about a WINDFALL! No bans yet, and they have 6 DAYS to launder the illegal mesos through different mules and accounts before bans go around? I feel really sorry for those whom thought they were getting a good deal and spent all the money they had on chaos and 20%. Now they are asked to destroy what they bought without getting their mesos back.

THIS is why hackers exist. Because you can make SO much money at virtually zero risk. Playing a game in god mode while every other peon spends cash on NX must be thrilling. I feel nothing right now but disappointment for those whom got ripped off, but you can bet there are a lot of people out there just jumping for joy at how well they worked the system and got away with it.

No, lol. Hackers exist because people keep supporting them (out of self-interest). Nexon just needs to teach everyone an important lesson, and teach it hard.

How would you stop people from exploiting loopholes in your codes from time and time again in anonymity? You can't. Yet if doing so would gain them NO benefits, leave them be.

No, lol. Hackers exist because people keep supporting them (out of self-interest). Nexon just needs to teach everyone an important lesson, and teach it hard.

How would you stop people from exploiting loopholes in your codes from time and time again in anonymity? You can't. Yet if doing so would gain them NO benefits, leave them be.

I agree with this. There will always be people arguing against it about them having "no way of knowing", but till Nexon dishes out some serious punishment, then no one will think twice about it.

The reason why so many people are willing to do this and take the risk is because of slap on the wrist punishments like this one. Throw out a serious punishment, and people will take notice and think twice about buying something. Maybe some "innocent" people will get banned, but its just an unfortunate byproduct. As Nexon has said here, you're guilty even if you didn't know, but we're giving you a chance to repent. I think next time, there shouldn't be this repent chance. Just hit em hard, and send the message.

No, lol. Hackers exist because people keep supporting them (out of self-interest). Nexon just needs to teach everyone an important lesson, and teach it hard.

How would you stop people from exploiting loopholes in your codes from time and time again in anonymity? You can't. Yet if doing so would gain them NO benefits, leave them be.

I can suggest one way of stopping people from hacking, hire a full-time attorney, and start suing everyone that does. Or at very least, mail out cease and desist letters, I'm sure their parents won't be happy to find that in their mail.

@above (Retalion) That is just bad business, it is a good thing you are not running maple. If all you are doing is banning, hackers will keep hacking, and by your standards legits will continue getting banned.

That's not entirely true.

There's a reason they made all items 0 mesos.
Whether or not they realize that the above was happening is yet to be seen.

Yes, the rate of generation is relatively slow compared to old methods, but still miles and miles faster than normal accumulation.
Basically, people were scripting it so that they would generate max coins, then sell them, then generate max coins, and so on, all without moving (since the two NPCs required are right next to each other).

They know about that part of the exploit, the 0 mesos an item was a response to that. Regardless, the generation of mesos was too slow to warrant a roll back. That person had to have been botting for at least 1 and a half hours to 2 hours to get that many. He barely gets any mesos for turning it all in (36m-56m with coins left).

I'm not saying this exploit did nothing to our economy, I'm saying it's not as bad as people are making it out to be and that there was no reason for a roll back.

I can suggest one way of stopping people from hacking, hire a full-time attorney, and start suing everyone that does. Or at very least, mail out cease and desist letters, I'm sure their parents won't be happy to find that in their mail.

@above (Retalion) That is just bad business, it is a good thing you are not running maple. If all you are doing is banning, hackers will keep hacking, and by your standards legits will continue getting banned.

If the legits are stupid enough to let themselves get banned, they probably deserve it.

Jokes aside, you don't need to keep banning people. Just some serious PR that delivers the message should be good enough.
"People, we don't want hacking to continue, so if you, in anyway, are deemed involved with hacking, you will be dealt with accordingly."
With basil and whatnot out there, I'm sure that even a couple tens of cases of serious punishment would adequately educate the mass.
Surely, they WILL always want to exploit, but once the seed of fear has been planted in their mind, it's hard to actually not think twice.
I'd also LOVE to see people getting C&D letters together with some $5000 bills in the mailbox. But that's uh, rather far-fetched.

The general point is that most of the people we have to deal with, hackers and exploiters alike, are merely sheep. Once you've scared enough of them, the rest will follow suit.

The fact that Nexon has kept silent about their way of dealing with exploits in the past 6 years seems to suggest that they frankly don't care at all to me, which I have to admit is a pretty darn good reason in and of itself to exploit the f'uck out of this pomegranate for the sake of exploiting.

That really irks me. How the hell can a person know if an item was bought from a legitimate seller? There's no way to tell a legitimate seller from an illegitimate seller in the FM. So why punish people for something they couldn't possibly avoid or tell the difference? If I played the game, I would be nervous to buy anything from the FM because I could be banned willy nilly for something I didn't know I was doing wrong.

True fact.

I believe they think the average player can distinguish based simply on inventory size and price.
I.e. if someone has 1000 Chaos Scrolls set to 1m each.

pomegranatety system though.
Might be better to, you know, anticipate hacks instead of patching them.

This isn't an intrinsic problem with the game. This is a problem with the COMMUNITY and the DUMBASSES who think they'll get away by taking advantage of hacker schemes. (You don't have to use forums to know this was CLEARLY a hack related problem. Look around the FM for 5 f'ucking seconds and tell me all that stuff was legit. I and everyone else will laugh in your face.) Hackers are going to win regardless. This is the truth. But they won't if the rest of us use COMMON F'UCKING SENSE like me and Locked who didn't touch those damn scrolls and will be fine because of it.

This, this, and more this.

I have a friend who is whining that he's getting screwed cause he bought hundreds of Chaos Scrolls for 500k each.
Um, what?

He knew that they were illegit and he knew Nexon was going to take action.
That's just stupid to complain after trying to exploit the situation.

Personally, I didn't play all weekend, just to be completely safe, which is quite annoying considering I want to level my TB.

I can suggest one way of stopping people from hacking, hire a full-time attorney, and start suing everyone that does. Or at very least, mail out cease and desist letters, I'm sure their parents won't be happy to find that in their mail.

That's unfeasible.
Going after individual script kiddies is a losing battle.
Cease and desist letters don't mean pomegranate and will just cost money to track down the accounts, locate the users, and send the letters.

What they can do is go after sites like GK and W8 that make money by selling access to the hacks.
The reason hacks are so prominent is because people have turned it into a pineappleing business.

I can't help but wonder why they continue to allow W8 and GK continue. They went after GameCheetah and got that place shut down, and they obviously have to know about W8/GK, since all it takes is a simple google search to find the sites.

I can't help but wonder why they continue to allow W8 and GK continue. They went after GameCheetah and got that place shut down, and they obviously have to know about W8/GK, since all it takes is a simple google search to find the sites.

Because there are idiots who visit W8 and GK who also spend NX on their hacker accounts to buy pink bunnies with meso magnets. Can't get rid of those since Nexon will lose potential revenue. Instead, Nexon placed their focus on shutting down private servers that are tens to twenty versions back for some stupid reason.

Because there are idiots who visit W8 and GK who also spend NX on their hacker accounts to buy pink bunnies with meso magnets. Can't get rid of those since Nexon will lose potential revenue. Instead, Nexon placed their focus on shutting down private servers that are tens to twenty versions back for some stupid reason.

Don't forget Southperry! We're detrimental to their revenues. Somehow.