Coin Exploit

i have proof i obtained my thousand coins legitly, i am not dropping my 100% legit pink scrolls, so i hope nexon does their thing right. i paid money for those 2x drops.

It was minimal. Effecting a small set of event items and a scroll that was already deflating is rather small in an economy of thousands of items. Yes, those items aren't worth anything, but the hackers are going to get hell-banned and permabanned on their accounts and the prices will hopefully rise again. If not then, then oh well. Cheaper items for everyone, which many won't complain about. Regarding merching, when you do it you should understand the risks of things like deflation due to hacking, especially when an event item is something like a chaos scroll.

And at the billions made overnight, people need to realize that there was more pushing mesos around than making them. Tax also took out on the large movement of mesos. I'm actually willing to bet money that a Meso Sack event introduces more mesos into the economy than this hack did.

You say pushing meso around, but isn't that just buying/selling. There are hackers that made billions, especially if they got into it early and sold them at 1-8mil each. There's always tax, so that means nothing, and its really not that significant if they're selling it for 1-8mil each and it costs them some arrows.

Just towards your claim that it was minimal, before this event I was selling 50%s at ~120mil each, and just yesterday I sold 50%s at 190mil each, yeh real small impact to the economy... It put the economy on steroids, with the hackers having all the buying power. Also, from what I saw, it didn't make really anything cheaper, work gloves went up 40mil in 2 days, the NX ratio in Bera was at 25:1 in MTS (i expect some deflation now, but the economy was still hugely and sharply affected).

We hope that most players will do the right thing and remove the items if they know they are exploited.

This is a epistemological question, I take the position that I do not know anything unless it is directly perceived by me. So for me, it is impossible to know if they are exploited, unless I was the one doing it.

Do we have to get rid of maple items we got via legit means (sage cat hunting)? Or just chaos scrolls?

I just want to knwo what the hell i'm supposed to do with my legit chaos scrolls that i got like 6 months ago... I'm not getting banned because i played the game properly >.>

Do we have to get rid of maple items we got via legit means (sage cat hunting)? Or just chaos scrolls?

Keep your maple items and NPC chaos scrolls if you bought them from someone.

You say pushing meso around, but isn't that just buying/selling. There are hackers that made billions, especially if they got into it early and sold them at 1-8mil each. There's always tax, so that means nothing, and its really not that significant if they're selling it for 1-8mil each and it costs them some arrows.

Just towards your claim that it was minimal, before this event I was selling 50%s at ~120mil each, and just yesterday I sold 50%s at 190mil each, yeh real small impact to the economy... It put the economy on steroids, with the hackers having all the buying power. Also, from what I saw, it didn't make really anything cheaper, work gloves went up 40mil in 2 days, the NX ratio in Bera was at 25:1 in MTS (i expect some deflation now, but the economy was still hugely and sharply affected).

The thing is, unlike actual meso exploits, the sum total mesos on the server is unchanged. Which is what they're referring to. In the last meso exploit, hackers were giving themselves mesos, then buying out FM shops. That introduces vast swathes of mesos to the economy. This just introduces a few specific types of scrolls.

For that matter, I'd view it as a positive thing if merchants gave hackers hundreds of millions, and then the hackers got banned. The only way to improve the NX ratio is if mesos become worth more again.

Not NPCing ****. Come at me bro.

The thing is, unlike actual meso exploits, the sum total mesos on the server is unchanged. Which is what they're referring to. In the last meso exploit, hackers were giving themselves mesos, then buying out FM shops. That introduces vast swathes of mesos to the economy. This just introduces a few specific types of scrolls.

For that matter, I'd view it as a positive thing if merchants gave hackers hundreds of millions, and then the hackers got banned. The only way to improve the NX ratio is if mesos become worth more again.

I second that.

PS. The Chaos Scrolls are unusable.

Well I'm not NPCing the Maple Shields I got from making a dozen leaf grinding mules.

Well I'm not NPCing the Maple Shields I got from making a dozen leaf grinding mules.

They didn't say you should.

They didn't say you should.

I dunno. I was around before when dozens of my friends got banned for having 100 white scrolls. I'm pretty sure Nexon is stupid enough to ban me for my 15 maple shields.

Actually the effect on the economy is positive. More trading = more tax comes into play = more meso taken out of economy. People spent hundreds of millions on these and now they won't get a dime of it back.

I dunno. I was around before when dozens of my friends got banned for having 100 white scrolls. I'm pretty sure Nexon is stupid enough to ban me for my 15 maple shields.

Heres the quote from the other thread

Well, the notice asks for players to voluntarily remove items created by exploit coins. So... why would you need to get rid of them if its legit?

You only need to get rid of the scrolls you have left. We aren't going to take your items from you.

Oh. I'm safe.
Now I just need to wait for a shield attack scroll to pop out from gacha.

Should I npc a shield I ruined? >.>

I thought you don't have to NPC your items that you already scrolled.

I made this up on another forum for everyone in hopes that it'll clear up any/all questions and confusion.

 Spoiler

-Changes-

* The 6th Anniversary coins exploit has been blocked.
* Chaos scrolls are temporarily unusable and untradable.
* 6th Anniversary scrolls are temporarily unusable.
* All items obtained with 6th Anniversary coins are temporarily untradable and have a value of 0 mesos if sold to an NPC.
* Chaos scrolls have been permanently removed from the list of items that can be obtained for 6th Anniversary coins.

All players that abused this exploit will be banned, however we understand that some players may have simply made a poor decision, so all players will be given until 5/15/2011 to voluntarily remove the exploited items from their accounts by selling them to an NPC for 0 mesos. If all exploited items are removed in time, you will not be banned (please note that you must remove the items from ALL of your accounts.) Once our investigation is complete and all applicable bans are issued, we will return the items that remain to normal. We hope that most players will do the right thing and remove the items if they know they are exploited.

And here are some additional comments made by Hime

"You only need to get rid of the scrolls you have left. We aren't going to take your items from you."

"We would like our players to use their best judgement in getting rid of items bought by exploit coins. If you strongly believe the items you possess was obtain legitimately then don't worry."

"We are asking players to get rid of items potentially bought by exploit coins. If you hunted your items legitimately you do not have to get rid of them."

"Well, the notice asks for players to voluntarily remove items created by exploit coins. So... why would you need to get rid of them if its legit? "

"Unless you know you're going to get banned, you have nothing to worry about. "

"I wouldn't see why legitimate earned coins and purchases would be affected. Just get rid of any items you bought from players that could have been obtained by exploited coins. We will deal with the abusers."

I hope this helps everyone understand what you have to/don't have to do and clears up any confusion.

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While making this thread, Hime has posted another detailed thread with information.

We recently addressed an exploit with Anniversary Coins that allowed hackers to manipulate and obtain Anniversary items. The exploit has been blocked and the abusers (and associations) will be dealt with. However, the items bought with exploited Anniversary coins have entered the game market and we need to have them removed.

For now all anniversary weapons and items obtained from Inkwell and Inkie are temporarily untradeable (some unuseable) to prevent the spread of exploited items. This block does include legitimately earned items and again, the block is temporary.

During this time we need our players to get rid of any items bought from other players or randomly picked up that could have been obtained by exploited Anniversary coins. Our players have until May 15 to get rid of exploited items or be subjected to our discretion. We understand differentiating between exploited or legitimate items is difficult and we ask you to use your best judgment.

If you legitimately earned your items you do not need to get rid of them. Such as

- Earning Maple weapons through hunting.
- Earning Anniversary items through anniversary coins you made such as collecting leaves or turning in anniversary items you hunted.
- Items you know were bought from legitimate sellers.
- Unknowingly used exploited scrolls on your items.

We are only after items generated by the coins exploit, not your hard earned items.

Thank you for your cooperation!

And at the billions made overnight, people need to realize that there was more pushing mesos around than making them. Tax also took out on the large movement of mesos. I'm actually willing to bet money that a Meso Sack event introduces more mesos into the economy than this hack did.

That's not entirely true.

There's a reason they made all items 0 mesos.
Whether or not they realize that the above was happening is yet to be seen.

Yes, the rate of generation is relatively slow compared to old methods, but still miles and miles faster than normal accumulation.
Basically, people were scripting it so that they would generate max coins, then sell them, then generate max coins, and so on, all without moving (since the two NPCs required are right next to each other).

That really irks me. How the hell can a person know if an item was bought from a legitimate seller? There's no way to tell a legitimate seller from an illegitimate seller in the FM. So why punish people for something they couldn't possibly avoid or tell the difference? If I played the game, I would be nervous to buy anything from the FM because I could be banned willy nilly for something I didn't know I was doing wrong.