Why do I complain about DBs?

This is not my point.
21% LUK is enough to get you somewhere. If you're going to train at LHC, you will always have MW, and you will always be potted.

My Dual Blader with Final Cut does the same damage as my Shadower without attack pots.

well, someone else can say all clean equips is enough to get you somewhere, it could be the case that just 120 can be considered enough to get you somewhere.

20k range with only 24% luk equips, and the dagger? if i strip down to 80% luk with a 100att maple dagger i have a 20k range.

kind of, except you extrapolate, can get you on your way. if thats the case, just getting 120 with clean equips is a start to be a good dual blade. the point is, if you're expecting to deal tons of damage with 20k range or w/e it may be, that won't be enough for you to be overly impressed by dual blade over other classes with similar funding. i'd even say other similarly funded classes will outdmg the 20k ranged dual blade.

dont care if imagine is a girl or guy

Prove it. Hell you can't even remember what statements that you're typing out to fight your own argument. Your entire argument is halved, you're trying to argue that equal funding would leave limited difference, and that you need x amount of funding to be good. So what are you really trying to say here, cus uh, dual means, two, which kind of means that he weilds two weapons, each with a seperate range. I don't know, I have a feeling you don't have an understanding of the concept.

So what are you really trying to say here, cus uh, dual means, two, which kind of means that he weilds two weapons, each with a seperate range. I don't know, I have a feeling you don't have an understanding of the concept.

I was under the impression that the odd distinction made between Daggers and Kataras was expelled during Chaos. It is no different from a shield with attack as far as the range is concerned. Though this clearly does not help CautionSin's argument much.

I was under the impression that the odd distinction made between Daggers and Kataras was expelled during Chaos. It is no different from a shield with attack as far as the range is concerned. Though this clearly does not help CautionSin's argument much.

That's true but I was talking about now, though as I re-read it, it's chaos related so yeah, conceded point.

Prove it. Hell you can't even remember what statements that you're typing out to fight your own argument. Your entire argument is halved, you're trying to argue that equal funding would leave limited difference, and that you need x amount of funding to be good. So what are you really trying to say here, cus uh, dual means, two, which kind of means that he weilds two weapons, each with a seperate range. I don't know, I have a feeling you don't have an understanding of the concept.

Dual doesn't mean 2, just 2 is an essential component of dual. As for two meaning two weapons, no. 2 ranges, I'm pretty sure I have one, right now the katara and dagger attack separately. The source of strength for a dual blade rests in 60+% total damage multiplier (which has a possibility of not reaching gms, unlikely it will) and good (subjective, right? Haha) equips. These dual blades with 20k or 12k range that I have posted don't match with a similarly funded wh or mech or bam (under the circumstances that they can buy twice as "high of numbers on their equips," talking about bam now, and int equips). I think I've said this all once before. Dual blades suck in terms of funding, the end. (though I suppose my unauthentic, conclusive vocabulary won't stop you from replying yet again).

Dual blades suck. They are worse than other similarly funded classes.

Again, either show us the numbers or you won't have proof that a Mech or BaM outdamages an equally funded DB.
Either back up your claims, or give up. From what I've seen, a majority of your arguments are based on your own skewed perception of things and claims you fail to justify. Since you have failed to defend your claims suffciently, I feel like you have nothing more to say.
And again, if a person (me) who has no idea about the topic in hand can nitpick what's wrong with your argument, you're doing it wrong.

Dual doesn't mean 2, just 2 is an essential component of dual. As for two meaning two weapons, no. 2 ranges, I'm pretty sure I have one, right now the katara and dagger attack separately.

Speaking of vocabulary Just will leave that there. Anyway, the point I was making was not all of your range is present, theres a separate range.

The source of strength for a dual blade rests in 60+% total damage multiplier (which has a possibility of not reaching gms, unlikely it will) and good (subjective, right? Haha) equips.

Above average is like 100% gear right now, it is for me anyway. Won't even dignify that TD stacking crap, considering that's a relatively new factor in comparison to dual blades being overpowered.

These dual blades with 20k or 12k range that I have posted don't match with a similarly funded wh or mech or bam (under the circumstances that they can buy twice as "high of numbers on their equips," talking about bam now, and int equips). I think I've said this all once before. Dual blades suck in terms of funding, the end. (though I suppose my unauthentic, conclusive vocabulary won't stop you from replying yet again).

Dual blades suck. They are worse than other similarly funded classes.

Uh, thing about mech's is their gear is a lot more inflated, considering how many classes use them, especially WH's who are essentially hacker's jail out of work card. Not to mention you're comparing dual with a class that has to use an overall, battle mages included. So right there is a potential 15% stats' they can't get back. Not to mention the dex requirement, although more demanding on dual blade, still have the option to scroll dex in more places than to scroll strength.

I'm sorry but you just state things with no real logical reasoning, no matter how "conclusive" you think you're vocabulary is, it's just blunt statements that have no ground.

Speaking of vocabulary Just will leave that there. Anyway, the point I was making was not all of your range is present, theres a separate range.



Above average is like 100% gear right now, it is for me anyway. Won't even dignify that TD stacking crap, considering that's a relatively new factor in comparison to dual blades being overpowered.



Uh, thing about mech's is their gear is a lot more inflated, considering how many classes use them, especially WH's who are essentially hacker's jail out of work card. Not to mention you're comparing dual with a class that has to use an overall, battle mages included. So right there is a potential 15% stats' they can't get back. Not to mention the dex requirement, although more demanding on dual blade, still have the option to scroll dex in more places than to scroll strength.

I'm sorry but you just state things with no real logical reasoning, no matter how "conclusive" you think you're vocabulary is, it's just blunt statements that have no ground.

didn't really say anything about % gear, but ok, 100% it is. TD stacking is what makes dual blades in kms strong, 30% on both weapons is better than 30% on one, or more on both.

using your 100% figure, you can get that with an overall or top/bot, it shouldn't matter that you have one more set of equipment to buy. strength is easy to get tbh, chtp pretty much does it all, maybe some str on your overall to top you off and you're strless (4 rather than 25). %luk is more than %dex.

don't talk to me about logical reasoning. i added the conclusive part as pretty much a joke, it was intended to be sarcasm, pretty blatant sarcasm. as far as logic goes, my argument is valid, so you can stop repeating im not being logical and i have no logical reasoning.

didn't really say anything about % gear, but ok, 100% it is. TD stacking is what makes dual blades in kms strong, 30% on both weapons is better than 30% on one, or more on both.

using your 100% figure, you can get that with an overall or top/bot, it shouldn't matter that you have one more set of equipment to buy. strength is easy to get tbh, chtp pretty much does it all, maybe some str on your overall to top you off and you're strless (4 rather than 25). %luk is more than %dex.

don't talk to me about logical reasoning. i added the conclusive part as pretty much a joke, it was intended to be sarcasm, pretty blatant sarcasm. as far as logic goes, my argument is valid, so you can stop repeating im not being logical and i have no logical reasoning.

Yeah uh, since were talking about "mesos" how much do you think a chtp costs? Let alone someone willing too sell? It's nearly 6-8b ez depending on weapon attack. And no, strength isn't easier to get. You can scroll earrings/helm/bottom's/face accessory/eye accessory and I'm sure more with dex, while the only other alternative is chaos scrolling or event scrolls.

You keep talking about funding, yet when I bring up actual figures you argue back that's not the specifics you're arguing. So when it comes too funding, what are you arguing? What figures are placed in your head? You simply think that 60% boss is what give's db that single edge, and that, it won't be transferred to GMS? On what grounds really? W/e I'm done arguing with someone with no argument to fight back with, it's like beating up a 5 year old.

Yeah uh, since were talking about "mesos" how much do you think a chtp costs? Let alone someone willing too sell? It's nearly 6-8b ez depending on weapon attack. And no, strength isn't easier to get. You can scroll earrings/helm/bottom's/face accessory/eye accessory and I'm sure more with dex, while the only other alternative is chaos scrolling or event scrolls.

You keep talking about funding, yet when I bring up actual figures you argue back that's not the specifics you're arguing. So when it comes too funding, what are you arguing? What figures are placed in your head? You simply think that 60% boss is what give's db that single edge, and that, it won't be transferred to GMS? On what grounds really? W/e I'm done arguing with someone with no argument to fight back with, it's like beating up a 5 year old.

You used the 100% figure, so i just assumed a chtp was within budget, 2lined ones are about 2b, same with the 15% gear it'd take to get to 100%. yes, 60% boss is what gives them the only advantage. We can't assume it will be transferred to GMS. Lol ok.

dual blades suck, they're weak in comparison to other classes with similar funding!!

Dual Blades Suck!!!! Don't waste your time making them.

You used the 100% figure, so i just assumed a chtp was within budget, 2lined ones are about 2b, same with the 15% gear it'd take to get to 100%. yes, 60% boss is what gives them the only advantage. We can't assume it will be transferred to GMS. Lol ok.

dual blades suck, they're weak in comparison to other classes with similar funding!!

Dual Blades Suck!!!! Don't waste your time making them.

While I somewhat agree with your statement about dual bladers not being that great, it's still sort of ignorant and the way you're trying to express your point through repetition isn't helping you. 2-line CHTP are about 3b in here, just saying.

While I somewhat agree with your statement about dual bladers not being that great, it's still sort of ignorant and the way you're trying to express your point through repetition isn't helping you. 2-line CHTP are about 3b in here, just saying.

where is here? whatever the case, if your getting 15% equips(as in the example of 100% primary stat), 3b on a chtp is viable investment.

yeh repetition is probably not needed to impress on people that dual blades have been over inflated to seem like better of a class than they really are.

Or the fact that because they cost money to make in GMS, there aren't a whole lot of them, unlike Resistance classes. Doesn't matter how strong they are or how godly Thorns is, when I've never actually partied with one.

You used the 100% figure, so i just assumed a chtp was within budget, 2lined ones are about 2b, same with the 15% gear it'd take to get to 100%. yes, 60% boss is what gives them the only advantage. We can't assume it will be transferred to GMS. Lol ok.

dual blades suck, they're weak in comparison to other classes with similar funding!!

Dual Blades Suck!!!! Don't waste your time making them.

So let's just disregard the fact dex is easier to acquire than str, and your prices are well off to be even confronted. You say "other classes". Which ones specifically so we can actually home in on the differences, rather than using an ambigious, and frankly circle jerk argument.

You can't just state something with nothing to back it up.

Or the fact that because they cost money to make in GMS, there aren't a whole lot of them, unlike Resistance classes. Doesn't matter how strong they are or how godly Thorns is, when I've never actually partied with one.

I beg to differ with this. It might be different in Bera, but they are abundant in Scania, During 2 hours of training in LHC, at least 1 DB will join my party, despite if he leaves later.

In any case, everyone already knows that "DB's will become overpowered" when chaos arrives, so we can expect the DB population to grow up soon.

So let's just disregard the fact dex is easier to acquire than str, and your prices are well off to be even confronted. You say "other classes". Which ones specifically so we can actually home in on the differences, rather than using an ambigious, and frankly circle jerk argument.

You can't just state something with nothing to back it up.

haha you just couldn't resist. my prices are pretty much on the nose for bera. aran, wh, bm, sair, mech, all better, but i dont imagine that will help much. not sure what a circle jerk argument is other than a made up expression.

yes i can, i have on numerous occasions with you.

and yes, you're better off making one of the above classes, if you care about damage that is.

haha you just couldn't resist. my prices are pretty much on the nose for bera. aran, wh, bm, sair, mech, all better, but i dont imagine that will help much. not sure what a circle jerk argument is other than a made up expression.

yes i can, i have on numerous occasions with you.

and yes, you're better off making one of the above classes, if you care about damage that is.

Circle Jerk: Sometimes used to describe an internet forum thread where forum members all give each other kudos (Or rep where a rep system is present) for some non-event that has occurred.
Google helps.
There's a lot of other definitions I found that explained it slightly more (I'm lazy so I copy-pasted whatever one I was on). From what I've gathered, I think he means that you've ended up agreeing with the people you're arguing against because your arguments suck.

Circle Jerk: Sometimes used to describe an internet forum thread where forum members all give each other kudos (Or rep where a rep system is present) for some non-event that has occurred.
Google helps.
There's a lot of other definitions I found that explained it slightly more (I'm lazy so I copy-pasted whatever one I was on). From what I've gathered, I think he means that you've ended up agreeing with the people you're arguing against because your arguments suck.

oh, yeh thats not correct usage then, i had actually googled it and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and not immediately proceed to say its usage was confused. my argument was never meant to be exhaustive nor has it changed "sides" so it would be the other people agreeing with me.

the cliques on southperry are quite apparent

oh, yeh thats not correct usage then, i had actually googled it and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and not immediately proceed to say its usage was confused. my argument was never meant to be exhaustive nor has it changed "sides" so it would be the other people agreeing with me.

the cliques on southperry are quite apparent

As Urban dictionary also defines circle-jerked as:
"Also refers to a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made."
-Locked says that DBs weren't as OP as everyone made them out to be
-You make several poorly-executed arguments that are barely coherent stating and are just simply claims that says the same thing Locked is saying.
-Massive argument over your lack of coherency follows
-You eventually state that DBs aren't as good as they seem
-No intellectual conversation actually takes place, because you feel that making claims based off your own preference makes a legit argument, so we end up picking apart your poorly-made arguments.
I dunno, seems pretty circle-jerked to me.
Tip:

Smug part may not fit, but you get the point.

As Urban dictionary also defines circle-jerked as:
"Also refers to a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made."

Urban Dictionary also defines discussion as

An interplay between a man and a woman, in which a woman talks while a man tunes her out and grunts occassionally to create the illusion that he is paying attention. The woman may interpret these grunts in any way she wishes. Discussions are inherently dangerous to men, because they may unknowingly agree to things that lead to unlpeasant surprises later.

You guys suck at arguing.