Sad Indeed...

They should make the 163 staff's elemental bonus 135%/140% or something. >:}
That would yield pleasant results. (Come on! It's 163, it should be strong)

It's like the dex 90 claw vs the dexless 90 claw (the night raven's claw) the dex has only +5 more WATK than the dexless, and that just screws the (few) dex NLs out there.

Considering that Nexon doesn't like mages much, they would probably tack, maybe 30 MATK on, stick a 130% bonus, and call it a day. (If they even bother to change it.)

The 103 is a better wand than the 163, because the magic damage calculations in this game are one big tropical fruit.

Assuming you wouldn't be 'wasting' luk if you went with the 103:
103 - 60 mdef, 6 MP/level, .3 extra damage per spell attack, easier to find, lower level req.
163 - 30 avoid, aesthetics/novelty.

Functionally, they're almost equal, so why wait until level 163?

It's all pretty irrelevant though. The 70 is better than the 103 if you have anything less than 72 luk, and I'm not even going to speak of the 130.


I have a request, though. Can you compare a Shine Wand/Wisdom Staff to a 70/130 on off-elements?

Honestly, I expect the elemental wands' prices to drop a little or ALOT (for the f/p types) when they start working. Why? Go count how many level 130 ARCH Mages are even there in any given server! ^__^ And bishops can't use them anymore.

But yeah, LUK arch mages are obsolete. (bishops are fine LUK, I suppose, smexy doomsdays =D)






... Then again, people could bandwagon the Arch Mage class (especially F/P) for cheap wands and the price will rise again.

Honestly, I expect the elemental wands' prices to drop a little or ALOT (for the f/p types) when they start working. Why? Go count how many level 130 ARCH Mages are even there in any given server! ^__^ And bishops can't use them anymore.

But yeah, LUK arch mages are obsolete. (bishops are fine LUK, I suppose, smexy doomsdays =D)






... Then again, people could bandwagon the Arch Mage class (especially F/P) for cheap wands and the price will rise again.

Haven't I already explained that we might not really be (well at least me)obsolete? -_-

Haven't I already explained that we might not really be (well at least me)obsolete? -_-

Sorry, I did read your posts now. I STILL believe its obsolete though, even though the maker skill or whatever might balance things out, wouldn't it cost a lot to use something of that sort? Especially when other classes might use the same skill. Besides 1bil won't kill most people... Chances are, the people who gach the level 163 staves will HORRIBLY overprice it!

I'm a fm-browser myself, lemme tell you all: I never got a elemental wand level 130 for above 500m. Well it's like this.

1. The first elemental wand I ever bought was the poison wand. I got it for 310m from someone I know who cut me a discount... I agreed with a few people I talked to that they're going to be f/p only. I sold it for 1.5b.

2. The 2nd elemental wand (lightning) I got was for 220m, this time off some random person (my guildmate told me about it). I decided I didn't like lightning so I sold it for 950m.

3. Now the last one took a while to find, a total of 1 1/2 weeks. It was a 7 below ice wand, 138 ma. I bought it for 301m. It was off FM shop. I'm using it atm.

I conclude they're not really that hard to find. My buddies have my pestering me about me being soooo lucky. I THINK they're SEMI-EASILY available, C'MON they're from mushroom shrine. My point is: EVERYONE gaches at mushroom shrine, they're just CAN'T be in their bils for that long. I also go back to my first point, THERE AREN'T MANY I/L or F/P over 130 ANYWAY.

Sorry, I did read your posts now. I STILL believe its obsolete though, even though the maker skill or whatever might balance things out, wouldn't it cost a lot to use something of that sort? Especially when other classes might use the same skill. Besides 1bil won't kill most people... Chances are, the people who gach the level 163 staves will HORRIBLY overprice it!

I'm a fm-browser myself, lemme tell you all: I never got a elemental wand level 130 for above 500m. Well it's like this.

1. The first elemental wand I ever bought was the poison wand. I got it for 310m from someone I know who cut me a discount... I agreed with a few people I talked to that they're going to be f/p only. I sold it for 1.5b.

2. The 2nd elemental wand (lightning) I got was for 220m, this time off some random person (my guildmate told me about it). I decided I didn't like lightning so I sold it for 950m.

3. Now the last one took a while to find, a total of 1 1/2 weeks. It was a 7 below ice wand, 138 ma. I bought it for 301m. It was off FM shop. I'm using it atm.

I conclude they're not really that hard to find. My buddies have my pestering me about me being soooo lucky. I THINK they're SEMI-EASILY available, C'MON they're from mushroom shrine. My point is: EVERYONE gaches at mushroom shrine, they're just CAN'T be in their bils for that long. I also go back to my first point, THERE AREN'T MANY I/L or F/P over 130 ANYWAY.

Well, even with the elemental wands readily available someone using the 130 with closely scrolled equips only have ~55 more MA.

MY point isn't that I'd be stronger. It's that the difference is tiny (like, 5k dmg with blizzard)

A 5k damage difference is huge if it changes the number of hits to KO with ultimates. 55 MATK difference means that LUKless will change the # of hits to KO 11 levels earlier than LUK.

A 5k damage difference is huge if it changes the number of hits to KO with ultimates. 55 MATK difference means that LUKless will change the # of hits to KO 11 levels earlier than LUK.

So they'd be able to train slightly faster. Doesn't make muvh of a difference endgame, when you're bossing :/

So they'd be able to train slightly faster. Doesn't make muvh of a difference endgame, when you're bossing :/

If someone gave you 99 free AP resets and a free elemental wand 7 or 8, would you reset? LUK mages are basically mistakes (I don't mean to sound harsh).

I agree though, 55 magic loss isn't THAT bad. Heck, 55 magic loss from my magic bonus is like... +275 magic bonus. Not bad at all.

If someone gave you 99 free AP resets and a free elemental wand 7 or 8, would you reset? LUK mages are basically mistakes (I don't mean to sound harsh).

I agree though, 55 magic loss isn't THAT bad. Heck, 55 magic loss from my magic bonus is like... +275 magic bonus. Not bad at all.

No, because I love the way the endgame equips look. I would have capped my luk at 90, but I wanted to wear a varuna which needs 103 luk. Also, looking further into the future, the lvl 120 equips would do even more to close the gap.

I conclude they're not really that hard to find. My buddies have my pestering me about me being soooo lucky. I THINK they're SEMI-EASILY available, C'MON they're from mushroom shrine. My point is: EVERYONE gaches at mushroom shrine, they're just CAN'T be in their bils for that long. I also go back to my first point, THERE AREN'T MANY I/L or F/P over 130 ANYWAY.

Not every server is like Bera. Blade Staffs where also from Mushroom shrine. Those where pretty rare in Broa.
Also, if you even get an elemental weapon from the Gach there's only a 1 in 16 chance it'll be the one you want. You're way too optimistic in this regard.

If someone gave you 99 free AP resets and a free elemental wand 7 or 8, would you reset? LUK mages are basically mistakes (I don't mean to sound harsh).

Wow. You really sound like those elitist LUKless mages I dislike.
Some people don't only care about damage, or made their character in 2005 before the idea of LUKless started, and they are fine with it. People like yourself are the reason I generally hate Lukless mages. I have 100 LUK, and I do about the same damage as a 4 LUK funded I/L with the same level on Blizzard. So if doing about 2-3k more damage then me makes you feel better, then by all means do so.

Also, if you even get an elemental weapon from the Gach there's only a 1 in 16 chance it'll be the one you want. You're way too optimistic in this regard.

Not necessarily. A person could conceivably be looking for any of Ice 70, Lit 70, Ice 103, Lit 103, Ice 130, and Lit 130. That's, what, 6/16? 3/8. Not that bad... given that you do get an elemental weapon.

Not every server is like Bera. Blade Staffs where also from Mushroom shrine. Those where pretty rare in Broa.
Also, if you even get an elemental weapon from the Gach there's only a 1 in 16 chance it'll be the one you want. You're way too optimistic in this regard.


Wow. You really sound like those elitist LUKless mages I dislike.
Some people don't only care about damage, or made their character in 2005 before the idea of LUKless started, and they are fine with it. People like yourself are the reason I generally hate Lukless mages. I have 100 LUK, and I do about the same damage as a 4 LUK funded I/L with the same level on Blizzard. So if doing about 2-3k more damage then me makes you feel better, then by all means do so.

Well I didn't mean to be elitist. I understand some people feel that LUK mage weapons and armors look better than LUKless. I really like the looks of the Doomsday staff myself, but can't use it. Who doesn't like damage anyway, 2-3k could mean difference in the number of hits to ko like what many above stated.

On a side note: bishops are TOTALLY fine as luk mages. I mean doomsdays already close the gap compared to using a maple shine wand or maple wisdom staff.

Not necessarily. A person could conceivably be looking for any of Ice 70, Lit 70, Ice 103, Lit 103, Ice 130, and Lit 130. That's, what, 6/16? 3/8. Not that bad... given that you do get an elemental weapon.

This is very true. However from what I understand he only wants the level 130 wand.

Well I didn't mean to be elitist. I understand some people feel that LUK mage weapons and armors look better than LUKless. I really like the looks of the Doomsday staff myself, but can't use it. Who doesn't like damage anyway, 2-3k could mean difference in the number of hits to ko like what many above stated.

Personally, damage isn't the reason I chose mage. If I was into that sort of thing I would have gone Hero, Night Lord, or hell, even Bowmaster.

On a side note: bishops are TOTALLY fine as luk mages. I mean doomsdays already close the gap compared to using a maple shine wand or maple wisdom staff.

But I/Ls and F/Ps are not?

You quoted the wrong name, lol.

I think he means that Shine ~ Blade < Element 103/163 < Element 70/130 (I'm actually not entirely sure how Blade compares to a working 103) so if you're a Bishop who can't use any of the elements, then Blade users aren't disadvantage, but if you're an AM, then Element 70/130 are clearly the best weapons out there.

Yeah, not too coherent. I'm tired x_X

You quoted the wrong name, lol.

I think he means that Shine ~ Blade < Element 103/163 < Element 70/130 (I'm actually not entirely sure how Blade compares to a working 103) so if you're a Bishop who can't use any of the elements, then Blade users aren't disadvantage, but if you're an AM, then Element 70/130 are clearly the best weapons out there.

Yeah, not too coherent. I'm tired x_X

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I don't think of Elemental weapons 70/130 as better than Shine/Blade simply because bishops have genesis and can't use the 130 without penalty anyway (when they're fixed that is)

If I wanted a bishop, I would totally make a LUK bishop using blade staff simply because of its sexiness.

You quoted the wrong name, lol.

I think he means that Shine ~ Blade < Element 103/163 < Element 70/130 (I'm actually not entirely sure how Blade compares to a working 103) so if you're a Bishop who can't use any of the elements, then Blade users aren't disadvantage, but if you're an AM, then Element 70/130 are clearly the best weapons out there.

Yeah, not too coherent. I'm tired x_X

No I didn't! What are you talking about! You have no proof! <_____<

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I don't think of Elemental weapons 70/130 as better than Shine/Blade simply because bishops have genesis and can't use the 130 without penalty anyway (when they're fixed that is)

If I wanted a bishop, I would totally make a LUK bishop using blade staff simply because of its sexiness.

That actually is a very, very good point.

ARGH!
I knew I was getting RIPPED!
Guess I should be happy I'm a Cleric :/

By the way, I agree with this 100%!

So my conclusion is: A lukless without an elemental weapon can still outdamage a luk magician with an elemental weapon. That's how pathetic the level 163 weapon is. So the next time you see a luk magician, you fame them, you F2 them, then immediately build a medium sized shrine in front of your grandparents' lawn.

[COLOR="Red"]Im happy ...im still da Strongest GMS bishop x3

bishops using elementals dont count [/COLOR]