Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7

a) I haven't played SC2, so I don't know all (or any) hero units.
b) You yourself claimed to be an Adjutant, Meph. Since when is that a specific hero unit?

Meph only seems to get alignments. Why would our detective be better? Also, just a stab in the dark really (I haven't played SC2, I just found this on the wiki page), but my guess for his role? An Overseer. It's a caster/detector, with the detector part being the key aspect. Some new mutation of Overlords, apparently.

Hmm, an interesting way to phrase it. It's quite possible your detective is better in some ways that Meph. After all, there's several different ways that detection may work. It could be a role name, full role pm, vague clue, or a general classification. You seem to be suggesting that you have a general classification type detective on your side. Which may be true, or may not be true. So far you've pinned one person as a Zerg, but how about offering up some other proof. I'm guessing that Meph wouldn't be the only person your detective had checked no? So who else have they checked? Since it's always far easier to verify with more data whether or not someone is lying, telling the truth, or making something up. Anyway, judging from Meph's response, it's a general classification for him. Which seems to imply that you are in some way linked to the Zerg. Whether that's with a skill you used, a skill used on you, or something else though, I suppose we won't know until you're dead . . . or perhaps not even then depending on how accurate Meph is and how much info we receive at the time of your demise.

Of course the main thing I've been thinking about was whether all the factions got a detective, but they all got different sanities. If so, that could drastically change how we view any detective's findings. Though it seems for the moment either Meph would have to be the sane detective, or an incredibly lucky paranoid/random detective if that was the case. Though that's probably just me overthinking it since there's been nothing that supports that idea so far other than the questionable nature of Mephisto and MetaSeraphim, and the claim that there's several detectives in game.

a) I haven't played SC2, so I don't know all (or any) hero units.
b) You yourself claimed to be an Adjutant, Meph. Since when is that a specific hero unit?

I said hero or plot-relevant character. There is in fact an Adjutant that is very plot-relevant in SC2. You can find a link to its wiki page on the main wiki page for the Adjutant.

Pardon me for my ignorance, then. I'm sure there's some plot-related or hero Zerg character out there that could have a perfectly reasonable explanation for having detective powers. And to address your question, E6: Meph is the only Zerg detection we've gotten; the others were Terran. I thus have no incentive to tell you the other results, since that wouldn't help my team's cause. Eliminating the Zerg, on the other hand, does help my team's (and the Terran's) cause, thus my reason for stating that result.

[VOTE]Lord Xela

We know Xela is mafia, if we want to get meph, we can wait until tomorrow.

Pardon me for my ignorance, then. I'm sure there's some plot-related or hero Zerg character out there that could have a perfectly reasonable explanation for having detective powers. And to address your question, E6: Meph is the only Zerg detection we've gotten; the others were Terran. I thus have no incentive to tell you the other results, since that wouldn't help my team's cause. Eliminating the Zerg, on the other hand, does help my team's (and the Terran's) cause, thus my reason for stating that result.

Hmm, well there are several roles that can probably fill the detectors for any faction, but that isn't of as much importance. If he is one, he is one, if he isn't, he isn't. It's true that telling us he's Zerg does seem to help your cause, but only to if we're willing to believe that and then vote for him, or otherwise allow him to be killed by your ally. Thus I thought it might be good to ask for another person to be verified. Mainly, my concern is that your detective isn't a sane detective. If they were one that receieved a random response, or an insane response, then that would suggest that Meph either is a Terran after all, or at the very least, that we can't know for sure whether he's Terran or not. Of course that still may not be a good enough reason to reveal who your ally looked into, but it couldn't hurt to ask.

I'm also a little suspicious of the people voting for Mephisto today. You have a confirmed Protoss in front of you. There's no real reason to vote for him, due to the fact that he's done so much good for the town. Even if he is Zerg, he appears to have no outward power as of yet that would be of harm to us, and all he can do is investigate.

The reasoning behind my vote is that from past games we know each mafia group has an equal amount of members, and due to the number of members this game has compared to others I think we either have 4 or 5 in each group (The last game had 17 players and 3 in each mafia) and apparently the Zerg haven't really made any big power plays except for killing someone, if all the Protoss are killed off then that could leave room for the Zerg to win since we don't really know what they can do. And while we don't really know what the Protoss can do they're obviously being picked off quite fast by Mephisto so it seems like they won't be a threat much longer. If Mephisto gets more Protoss bios that is.

So simply it's a case of not knowing the true power of the Zerg, and if Protoss gets picked off I have no clue what will happen.

Mephisto isn't Zerg. My ability confirmed that to the least. He is some sort of neutral most likely.

[Vote]Lord_Xela

The reasoning behind my vote is that from past games we know each mafia group has an equal amount of members, and due to the number of members this game has compared to others I think we either have 4 or 5 in each group (The last game had 17 players and 3 in each mafia) and apparently the Zerg haven't really made any big power plays except for killing someone, if all the Protoss are killed off then that could leave room for the Zerg to win since we don't really know what they can do. And while we don't really know what the Protoss can do they're obviously being picked off quite fast by Mephisto so it seems like they won't be a threat much longer. If Mephisto gets more Protoss bios that is.

So simply it's a case of not knowing the true power of the Zerg, and if Protoss gets picked off I have no clue what will happen.

[COLOR="green"]I would assume 4 mafia on either side with the amount of people currently playing.

Even so, if the Protoss are all destroyed, Mephisto's ability becomes completely worthless if he's mafia. All of the Zerg would know who the Terran players are. Eliminating one side first helps the other side, as well as the town, due to the fact that there will be less kills and less potential abilities.

So for right now, I'd say it's best to eliminate the confirmed Protoss, in an attempt to get the remaining Protoss players to become more focuses on eliminating the Zerg players.

A 3 on 3 is fine for the mafias. A 2 on 4 will put pressure on the Protoss to actually get something accomplished.

Also, as a side note, any and all players who have previous knowledge of this game are put at a huge advantage, and as such are highly more likely to be able to pass themselves off as something other than what they are.[/COLOR]

My third, short, condensed impressions, because I'm too lazy to type it all out.

Terran, or possibly Protoss/neutral but most likely Terran, has a doctor of some sort.

Lord Xela-100% Protoss.
Mephisto-100% Detective. 100% not Protoss, 95% chance to be Terran.
MetaSeraphim- Fair chance (40%) he could be Protoss, as he wanted to vote for Mephisto despite a confirmed Protoss. Also add in ElectricSix's explanation.
Dusk-I find it quite likely he is Protoss, probably 70-80% probability. He tried to vote for Mephisto before switching to LordXela. Also, the previous round, he voted for TobiasBlack, an unconfirmed mafia, instead of voting for y0y0y0yshi0, who was a Protoss.

Now, unless Terran has 2 doctors, or some weird ability took place last night, both Zerg and Protoss attempted to attack Mephisto last night, meaning Mephisto is not a Zerg or a Protoss.

I can't stretch my conclusions enough.

MEPHISTO IS NOT A ZERG OR A PROTOSS!

The reasoning behind my vote is that from past games we know each mafia group has an equal amount of members, and due to the number of members this game has compared to others I think we either have 4 or 5 in each group (The last game had 17 players and 3 in each mafia) and apparently the Zerg haven't really made any big power plays except for killing someone, if all the Protoss are killed off then that could leave room for the Zerg to win since we don't really know what they can do. And while we don't really know what the Protoss can do they're obviously being picked off quite fast by Mephisto so it seems like they won't be a threat much longer. If Mephisto gets more Protoss bios that is.

So simply it's a case of not knowing the true power of the Zerg, and if Protoss gets picked off I have no clue what will happen.

Somehow I don't think killing off the Protoss is going to be hurting our cause unless you happen to think the Zerg's win condition is the elimination of the other mafia faction? And if so, I'm rather curious as to why you believe that? Are you by chance a Zerg or Protoss and thus have access to their win condition? Or perhaps you meant that you're not sure what there powers will be capable of without the Protoss to stop them . . . in which case I wonder why it is you believe the Protoss have been key, or are key to stopping them? That would seem to suggest either you're a Protoss, or a Zerg. Either way, I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but you're doing a good job of convincing me that you're not Terran. Nearly everything you've done or said so far seems to point towards you and changing your vote now hasn't exactly changed my mind about that.

Anyway yes, eliminating, or even just winnowing down, one mafia faction is to our advantage. It doesn't matter how many mafia there are left, the less there are, the better off the Terrans are. I agree with Dual Reaver completely on that point.

Also, as a side note, any and all players who have previous knowledge of this game are put at a huge advantage, and as such are highly more likely to be able to pass themselves off as something other than what they are.

Is one of the few players that didn't play in the other mafia games on Southperry. That sure makes me feel comfortable

Somehow I don't think killing off the Protoss is going to be hurting our cause

I didn't say it was. It's just because we haven't seen much from the Zerg yet.

but you're doing a good job of convincing me that you're not Terran

Not trying to convince anyone of anything, just trying to figure out who is more dangerous.

My third, short, condensed impressions, because I'm too lazy to type it all out.

Terran, or possibly Protoss/neutral but most likely Terran, has a doctor of some sort.

Lord Xela-100% Protoss.
Mephisto-100% Detective. 100% not Protoss, 95% chance to be Terran.
MetaSeraphim- Fair chance (40%) he could be Protoss, as he wanted to vote for Mephisto despite a confirmed Protoss. Also add in ElectricSix's explanation.
Dusk-I find it quite likely he is Protoss, probably 70-80% probability. He tried to vote for Mephisto before switching to LordXela. Also, the previous round, he voted for TobiasBlack, an unconfirmed mafia, instead of voting for y0y0y0yshi0, who was a Protoss.

Now, unless Terran has 2 doctors, or some weird ability took place last night, both Zerg and Protoss attempted to attack Mephisto last night, meaning Mephisto is not a Zerg or a Protoss.

I can't stretch my conclusions enough.

MEPHISTO IS NOT A ZERG OR A PROTOSS!

[COLOR="green"]The stasis ability is kidnapping. Whoever is kidnapped likely can't be killed at night. Meaning the other mafia might have attacked someone who was kidnapped by the other side.

It's a stretch, but never underestimate the power of coincidences.[/COLOR]

I am going to [vote] Lord Xela. Mainly because any other vote would be useless and I trust Meph. Lord Xela is dead anyways, being 9/13.

I am suspicious of Kurtle though, claiming to be a doc and detective. How do we know that someone was chosen as a target to be killed? Perhaps ElectricSix or DualReaver is the Zerg killer and was unable to kill, due to being in a state of stasis. If that were true then Kurtle is covering for one of them. Just a thought.

[COLOR="green"]The stasis ability is kidnapping. Whoever is kidnapped likely can't be killed at night. Meaning the other mafia might have attacked someone who was kidnapped by the other side.

It's a stretch, but never underestimate the power of coincidences.[/COLOR]

Could also be a case of attacking someone who has a skill that protects them from death a certain number of times.

*different from the doctor's skill I mean*

You gather in a makeshift circle around Lord Xela.
"There's no fighting it, I guess. Now, I succumb to the Void."

You all send him to the Devil's Playground.

Dear Lord Xela:
Thanks again for the role randomizer.

You are Zeratul, a well-respected Dark Templar. You are very honorable and loyal to the Protoss. At Night, you may PM Infection with "Night x - Blink". You will be immune to any abilities used on you that night that act slower than Blink. You may use this ability on Night 0. If the first two people in your team PM die, you may PM Infection on the night following with "Night x - Warp Blade USER". The target will die. You win if the Protoss are the last faction standing.

It is now Night 3. The night will end at 5:30 PM EST tomorrow, or when all night actions are sent in.

Hmm, I wasn't expecting that. I'm back to square one with the second part of my result PM then, as I can't think of any reason, after seeing Zeratul's ability, why LX would have Zerg bio-signatures on his hands. Maybe it has something to do with an ability targeted at him? Weird..

Any suggestions for who I should check tonight? There's no guarantee I'll even be around tomorrow, but I'm leaning toward either Dusk or MetaSeraphim. Thoughts?

Another thing, if I am in fact taken out tonight, you guys are probably going to be on your own information-wise, as I doubt there's another detective out there. You'll have to rely on analysis of people's posting habits and voting history, so in that case I'd strongly advise targeting people who voted for me today initially. Whether or not that proves fruitful, you'll be left to your own wits and whatever resources you may have available going forward. However, let's all hope I'm still alive come the dawn.

I'd say MetaSeraphim, Synthesist, or Hiepocrite. Meta is an obvious choice to pick, since he is rather suspicous. As for the other two, while I have my doubts about all three inactives being neutrals/mafia, the fact that Lord Xela was one makes it a plausible scenario so the remaining two inactive/lurking people should probably be checked out if possible.

FYI, Mephisto, I think for your bio signature reading, it's most likely because of this:

Dark Templar wield the energies of "the Void".[2] These energies are harmful to the zerg cerebrates and Overmind due to the similarities of the cosmic energies they wield.[9] The Dark Templar consider their powers to be the "true gifts" of the protoss, and consider the Khala to be diluted and narrowed by the (former) leaders of the protoss.[10] Their own powers are considered "wider".[11] Anything that "taints" the Void is considered unholy by the Dark Templar.[12]

Source: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_templar

Dusk-I find it quite likely he is Protoss, probably 70-80% probability. He tried to vote for Mephisto before switching to LordXela in an attempt to save Xela's life. Also, the previous round, he voted for TobiasBlack, an unconfirmed mafia, instead of voting for y0y0y0yshi0, who was a Protoss.

I find it quite likely Dusk is a Mafia. Don't investigate him though. There's still other questionable people, so do Meta.

Also, was your ability active the first day? You could tell us who was innocent.

I find it quite likely Dusk is a Mafia. Don't investigate him though. There's still other questionable people, so do Meta.

If we are going to use a person's past voting history against them then you are just as questionable. Tobias voted for me, with no real reason given, and then you sided with him against me with no reason given. And then neither one of you took back your votes when Mephisto asked you to trust him on his vote.

Because of that I am thinking both you and Tobias are mafia.