So I was playing around with numbers and I was wondering:
Because the level 130 elemental weapons will be costing 1 billion and more, and the level 163 weapon cast into the forgotten shadows...
[indent]Would it be worth it for a lukless archmage to convert to luk, just to gain a 125% increase damage in exchange for adding luk and losing some int?[/indent]
Because all archmages know that 125% in increase in damage is more much worth it than losing a "few" luk. Here are my results:
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*Note: I will not consider any scrolling for the weapons because both weapons can be "godly" scrolled.
*I may have made some mistakes in calculations; point them out if I did.
The level 163 weapon requires 165 luk and has 178 matk.
The level 130 weapon requires 0 luk and has 145 matk.
Saving 161 luk, the level 130 weapon actually has 306 matk when compared to the level 163 which only has 178 matk.
That's terribly unbalanced but the question remains: is 125% boost in damage worth the 161 int loss?
I gave the lukless magician 1000 magic, and 570 spell attack (max meteo/blizzard).
I gave the luk magician 839 magic (for being 161 int weaker than lukless), and 570 spell attack (max meteo/blizzard).
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The lukless can hit a maximum of: 68,924 with the elemental weapon 55,139 without the elemental weapon (they're using a wisdom staff or w/e).
The luk can hit a maximum of: 53,182 with the elemental weapon 42,546 without the elemental weapon (they're using a normal weapon).
As you can see, luk magicians WITH an elemental weapon can BARELY catch up to lukless that's NOT EVEN USING AN ELEMENTAL WEAPON.
There are other factors that I did not consider such as getting 15 luk from zhelm, getting 22 luk from pendant (I'm not gonna consider overall luk or cape luk because both luk and lukless can use overall/cape int). Getting an extra 37 int, would only kick that 53k to 56k. Hardly a difference.
[indent]So my conclusion is: A lukless without an elemental weapon can still outdamage a luk magician with an elemental weapon. That's how pathetic the level 163 weapon is. So the next time you see a luk magician, you fame them, you F2 them, then immediately build a medium sized shrine in front of your grandparents' lawn. [/indent]
Kabanaw Wrote:You're assuming someone would cap their luk at 165 to equip this :/
As I said in a different thread, I would only be losing about 55 magic att, and I would save a ton of money.
Then I'm assuming you're using an overall and cape scrolled with luk? While you use a luk overall and cape, the lukless magician is using int overall and cape.
butterfli Wrote:Then I'm assuming you're using an overall and cape scrolled with luk? While you use a luk overall and cape, the lukless magician is using int overall and cape.
I'll explain this again
Here's what I'll use to get enough luk:
Egg'd HT Pendant
Z-Helm
Equips with luk using the maker skill
1 or 2 overall luk scrolls
All this adds up to about 53 luk, which as I said in my sig, is how much I'll need.
I figured that a lukless, who is using the lvl 130 weapon, would do about 5k more dmg than me. Of course, the 130 weapons would only be affordable to the super-funded lukless mages, so with the 25% boost I could techincally do more dmg than a lukless for a ton less.
Eriko Wrote:The lukless gets the 25% boost, too.. What are you talking about exactly? >_>
I'm saying that the lvl 130 weapon costs so much that only the richest of all the AMs will be able to afford them, while the 163 ones will be easily affordable. Most luklesses will be stuck with a Wisdom Staff/Shine Wand, and not get the 25% boost.
Eriko Wrote:... but this thread is about the lukless elemental weapons. ?_? I don't see why you bring up that point if it has nothing to do with this.
The point is that with the new lukless weapons, lukless completely overpowers luk. My point was that with propor equips and the lvl 163 staff, this may not be so true.
Eriko Wrote:... but this thread is about the lukless elemental weapons. ?_? I don't see why you bring up that point if it has nothing to do with this.
No. The point of the thread was to answer the question: Should a lukless convert to luk to use a cheaper elemental weapon? The answer is no. The rest is just explaining why the answer is no.
Max Power = (.005979 * Magic) squared + (.0359 * Magic)
Min Power = (.005979 * Magic) squared + (.0359 * Magic * Spell Mastery)
It uses this formula found by Kyran a very long time ago. I've use it ever since I found it and haven't seen it to be totally off (ithough it's not the formula the game uses, it's very very close because they're both exponential).
I don't know what ArundRanger's calculator looks like since I'm banned from sw so I'm not sure why you're calling it wrong.
Because of the way our damage formula works it's really not that big of a deal.
I met a LUKless I/L who was 1 level higher then I was, so I decided to see what the difference damage wise was. We both used Blizzard, (Which was the SAME level.) and it turned out that he only really did ~2-3k more damage then I did, and he had better equips too.
What if you just used the level 70 lukless counterparts? You "only" lose about 60 matk and still gain the 25%/10% bonuses. I don't know what the prices are in other servers, but in Bera, the level 70 Elemental Weapons are no more than 150m.
Bribery Wrote:What if you just used the level 70 lukless counterparts? You "only" lose about 60 matk and still gain the 25%/10% bonuses. I don't know what the prices are in other servers, but in Bera, the level 70 Elemental Weapons are no more than 150m.
<_< I've seen them sell for well over 400m here in Broa.
