Lucky 7: Before & After

Let's assume you are a dexless, level 100 Hermit. You have a 50 ATK Claw, 10 ATK WG, 12 ATK pot, and Ilbies. How will your damage be affected for after the patch when you hit a green snail? This is assuming NO CRITICALS and NO SHADOW PARTNER.

First of all, stats:

508 LUK
4 DEX
99 ATK (50 + 10 + 12 + 27)

 Lucky 7

BEFORE THE PATCH:

For Lucky 7:
Minimum Damage: 1885
Maximum Damage: 3771

Multiply that by 2 stars for a total range of 3770 ~ 7540

Now, just for the sake of it, let's calculate that you hit a crit for both stars which is the absolute best damage you can do and happens only 25% of the time. That would leave you with a range of 6286 ~ 12,573

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AFTER THE PATCH:

Regular damage range:
Minimum Damage = 2620
Maximum Damage = 4031

Lucky 7 Range:
Minimum Damage = 2620 * 1.7 multiplier * 0.9 (Mob damage penalty) = 4,009
Maximum Damage = 4031 * 1.7 multiplier * 0.9 (Mob damage penalty) = 6,167

Multiply that by 2 stars for a total range of 8018 ~ 12,334

So, even figuring before the patch with crits and after the patch without them, you are much better off after the patch regardless of what happens due to a higher amount of mastery. The 200 damage off the top end really won't affect your killing speed near as much as the extra 1800 damage on the bottom end.

Also, we're figuring a damage range after the patch which will happen 100% of the time versus a situation which will only happen 25% of the time in the before patch scenario. The after-patch scenario is the clear winner.

 Triple Throw

BEFORE THE PATCH:

For Triple Throw:
Minimum Damage: 1885
Maximum Damage: 3771

Multiply that by 3 stars for a total range of 5655 ~ 11,313

Now, just for the sake of it, let's calculate that you hit a crit for all three stars which only happens 12.5% of the time. That would leave you with a range of 9429 ~ 18,859

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AFTER THE PATCH:

Regular damage range:
Minimum Damage = 2620
Maximum Damage = 4031

Triple Throw Range:
Minimum Damage = 2620 * 2.6 multiplier * 0.9 (Mob damage penalty) = 6131
Maximum Damage = 4031 * 2.6 multiplier * 0.9 (Mob damage penalty) = 9433

Multiply that by 3 stars for a total range of 18,393 ~ 28,299

So, after the patch even not calculating crits you are still better off than before the patch. Your minimum damage range after the patch is the same as your maximum range before it. Also consider that in the "before" calculations we're calculating something which will only happen 12.5% of the time. The "after" patch calculations will happen 100% of the time. The after-patch calculations are a clear winner regardless of what happens with criticals.

Some amazing balancing right there.

Hermits shouldn't cry now about not getting anything for the balance patch.

How does this work for Triple Throw? What's "mob damage penalty"?

Some amazing balancing right there.

We know nothing about how other classes changed. If they get a much larger boost of Damage, NLs will feel left out.

Pretty awesome stuff.

I would like to see a TT calculation as well.

Pretty awesome stuff.

I would like to see a TT calculation as well.

Instead of 170%, use 260%. Instead of two stars, throw three.

MDRates and PDRates were posted by Paul in the General MapleStory thread regarding crit formulas in KMST. Roughly speaking, an average mob has a value of 10, area bosses and other "special" mobs have values of 20, and regular bosses (Pap, Pianus, HT, Zakum, PB, etc.) have a value of 25. These rates are calculated into multipliers that are applied to both minimum and maximum damage formulas.

Thanks again for telling me about this thread on BL when you finished it, Paul. Funny stuff, really, when you compare the raw calculations to many frustrated NL comments viraling around the web.

Instead of 170%, use 260%. Instead of two stars, throw three.

Thank you, my brain doesn't like to work this late lol.

The real question is how does it work with our current understanding of crits versus the previous crits? That's what a lot of the whining is about apparently.

Pre

Minimum Damage: 1885 * 1.50 * 3 = 8,482
Maximum Damage: 3771 * 1.50 * 3 = 16,969

Post

Minimum Damage = 2620 * 2.6 * 3 = 20,436
Maximum Damage = 4031 * 2.6 * 3 = 31,441


LOLWHAT.

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Added crit damage calculations for before the patch.

Is that default assassin crit? Can we get some with SE prekMST?

Yes, default assassin crit.

I'm not willing to do SE. The after-patch scenario will win regardless of what calculations you throw at it. There. Done.

Yes, default assassin crit.

I'm not willing to do SE. The after-patch scenario will win regardless of what calculations you throw at it. There. Done.

I'm assuming because even with the 390% max range crits you'd still have the pitiful 150% of your min to make your average damage absolute pomegranate?

I know I may be asking too much, but... Mind doing the calculations for avenger? It seems it can easily replace Lucky 7 on 3rd job, but I'd like to compare to triple throw considering the number of monsters...

Right now, it's almost better to keep spamming triple throw.

I know I may be asking too much, but... Mind doing the calculations for avenger? It seems it can easily replace Lucky 7 on 3rd job, but I'd like to compare to triple throw considering the number of monsters...

Right now, it's almost better to keep spamming triple throw.

Replace 1.7 with 5.3. Replace two stars with one. Multiply by the number of monsters you are hitting.

Replace 1.7 with 5.3. Replace two stars with one. Multiply by the number of monsters you are hitting.

Avenger doesn't currently operate on its own formula. You'll have to use the regular claw formula for current damage.