On this day, I make FrozNlite proud.

I hate the series because I followed most of it until Sectionals. The only episode I watched in the second part of the first season was the finale. I still understand everything that happened in the last episode. The reason why I hate Glee is because the storyline just seems to be a composite of several cheap money making tricks thrown together with a chorus line at the end. False pregnancy, heated rivalries, gay kid, crippled kid who doesn't want to be pitied, and asian girl with speech problems. I think that some of the songs came out really well. For example, I liked their rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody. But I don't like the story and how it hardly progresses. The story always seems to have its characters remain in stock form. Sure, they discover new relationships and all that shiz. But at the end of the day, they are still the gay kid, crippled kid who doesn't want to be pitied, innocent shmuck, preggy cheerleader, and tag-along cheerleaders. The show has a decent treat at the end of each episode, but the substance is lacking. I ended Sectionals expected Sue to be fired. I watched the finale and saw that she ended up getting re-hired. In addition, I wasn't surprised that Sue voted for the kids in the finale, especially with how the discussion was turning out. Sue has already shown that she has a soft side when she allowed a student with down syndrome to be on the cheerleading team. The characters don't really develop or really change. If you notice at the end of the finale, that club-girl still hasn't quite grasped the sentimental value of forming friendships. Glee's storyline is just a bottle filled with stereotypical television drama that has been processed to bring about big success.

The Asian has spoken.

The Asian has spoken.

The other Asian has spoken.

Swerve went above and beyond to prove Glee sucks. All he needed, really, was to point this out

like seriously?

Swerve went above and beyond to prove Glee sucks. All he needed, really, was to point this out
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like seriously?

>_>

What's wrong with that?

>_>

What's wrong with that?

It makes me rage whenever I see it.

These too

hey froz could you do me a favour and stop name-dropping whenever someone disses glee? i am embarrassed that i watch it and everyone else should be too for the reasons swerve mentioned and as sue sylvester once said, "so you like showtunes? that doesn't mean you're gay; it just means you're awful."

i am ashamed that i watch glee and don't need it brought up whenever you need an "even [person does this]!"


it's not a very good show.

@Haters: Suck it. Even Sarah likes the show, for a particular character even you all would enjoy. The irony about haters is they hate what they don't even know.

She also likes Twilight. Your argument is invalid.

I watch Glee but only for the musicals being the musicophile I am. But for the show, it takes on too much when they added a drama sugarcoat to something that's as original as a television musical. Personally comedy/sitcom would be a better flavor to Glee since it would compliment the light and cheery musical atmosphere. But juggling between drama and sunshine rainbow lollipops is a bad idea; I'm not sure how a teen in a wheelchair singing (and dancing) to an upbeat pop song is suppose to be expressing his lack of confidence due to his condition. I'd turn to Degrassi if I wanted melodramatic teens, coming of age and struggles with identity.

She also likes Twilight. Your argument is invalid.

that is offensive

She also likes Twilight. Your argument is invalid.

I watch Glee but only for the musicals being the musicophile I am. But for the show, it takes on too much when they added a drama sugarcoat to something that's as original as a television musical. Personally comedy/sitcom would be a better flavor to Glee since it would compliment the light and cheery musical atmosphere. But juggling between drama and sunshine rainbow lollipops is a bad idea; I'm not sure how a teen in a wheelchair singing (and dancing) to an upbeat pop song is suppose to be expressing his lack of confidence due to his condition. I'd turn to Degrassi if I wanted melodramatic teens, coming of age and struggles with identity.

Telling Froz that someone likes Twilight will only will make him like them more.

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Excellent comments Swerve, and I completely agree. Do I think that Glee is good television, if good television is defined as containing a riveting, original plot? Hell no. But that doesn't mean the series can't exist, and be enjoyed, for its entertainment value. Plus, the whole aspect of a major national television show performing covers of not only popular songs in contemporary culture but musical songs as well as brand new. That's one of the reasons I enjoy it, along with many of my thespian friends: for the first time in nearly half a century, the musical is making a comeback in pop culture, thanks to the hype it gets on the show. You can't say it's a bad thing that an enormous amount of people who discovered Defying Gravity and Idina Menzel for the first time from this show, if such people become interested in that genre of music, considering musicals, regardless of what you may think of them, contain actual music. My point is, there are some good points to the show that are original.

May I ask as well what you'd like to see with character progression? It sounds to me like you believe the show is too predictable, which honestly, I agree with. But then again so are a lot of popular television shows, once you've watched enough episodes (ex. Law and Order SVU. Each episode tells a fantastic story with great acting, etc., but they all follow the same basic plot flow). Does that make bad television? Those who decide what's good TV by doling out Emmys don't seem to think so, as L&O SVU is coming back for a 12th season next year, with multiple Emmy wins in its time on the air. So then, what do you want in character progression? When you list what you find wrong with the show ("But at the end of the day..."), all you're really doing is listing who people are. I agree some people could change a bit more (like Santana and Brittany), but a lot of characters DID do a lot of growing this season, especially during the second half, and again, you're listing "gay" as something that should be changed. He's getting a boyfriend next season, so no worries - character development.

Oh, and about that as well: if you're going to list the inadequate rehashings a show does with plot themes, I'd like to see you equally list the innovative and truly original aspects. Let me help get you started: this is the first time on national television a gay teen has been open in a high school setting, with potential on-screen romance next season also adding a layer of unprecedented mold-breaking to the list.

hey froz could you do me a favour and stop name-dropping whenever someone disses glee? i am embarrassed that i watch it and everyone else should be too for the reasons swerve mentioned and as sue sylvester once said, "so you like showtunes? that doesn't mean you're gay; it just means you're awful."

i am ashamed that i watch glee and don't need it brought up whenever you need an "even [person does this]!"

it's not a very good show.

I'll stop with "haters" or other specifics, but there are well-done aspects with the show. Some include why you like it. Plus, I'm not going to stop liking something I do and talking about it because a bunch of people think it's lame and judge me for it. Unlike some people, I don't care what others think about me and do things I like to do without getting embarrassed by them. It's not like Glee is my life, and if you all knew me closer in real life you'd know that. Glee is just another television show; it's not our lives, and only when something takes an inordinate focus in one's life (ex. MapleStory) does it become a real problem.

If you truly think it sucks and are ashamed to be watching it, then don't watch it. But don't watch the show and then whine to me about your inability to secure a little self-confidence in the things you like to do in life.

She also likes Twilight. Your argument is invalid.

I watch Glee but only for the musicals being the musicophile I am. But for the show, it takes on too much when they added a drama sugarcoat to something that's as original as a television musical. Personally comedy/sitcom would be a better flavor to Glee since it would compliment the light and cheery musical atmosphere. But juggling between drama and sunshine rainbow lollipops is a bad idea; I'm not sure how a teen in a wheelchair singing (and dancing) to an upbeat pop song is suppose to be expressing his lack of confidence due to his condition. I'd turn to Degrassi if I wanted melodramatic teens, coming of age and struggles with identity.

Again, another excellent point, and I agree that a (mostly) lighthearted show should be taken from the same perspective regarding overarching plot moods. That being said, is every musical number in the show a "sunshine rainbow lollipop" arrangment? Is every moment in which a song is sung a "sunshine rainbow lollipop moment?" To clarify your confusion about Artie's daydream dance, he's optimistically looking forward to the day when he can walk again, thanks for novel medical procedures and drugs (he essentially gains confidence through the daydream, as his line to Tina when she snaps him back into reality before the commercial break is "I'm going to dance one day," said with a smile). If you think that's too "sunshine rainbow lollipopy," may I ask what's wrong with being optimistic in life, even to a delusional aspect at times towards certain extremes (such as major medical conditions)? I invite you to visit a local cancer ward and speak with the most optimistic patients. I'm sure some of them would sound like him.

Telling Froz that someone likes Twilight will only will make him like them more.

Not true. I hate Twi-hards. But if you can formulate your own opinions after reading/viewing a particular media, and are fully able and confident to express such views, I hold a greater level of respect for you. Ex: Though I disagree with some points, Swerve's post bolstered my respect for him. He's bothered to watch the show and can provide a well-constructed argument to strengthen his opinion.

Oh snap. This thread serious'd the **** up.

Posting in a Glee thread.

I'll stop with "haters" or other specifics, but there are well-done aspects with the show. Some include why you like it. Plus, I'm not going to stop liking something I do and talking about it because a bunch of people think it's lame and judge me for it. Unlike some people, I don't care what others think about me and do things I like to do without getting embarrassed by them. It's not like Glee is my life, and if you all knew me closer in real life you'd know that. Glee is just another television show; it's not our lives, and only when something takes an inordinate focus in one's life (ex. MapleStory) does it become a real problem.

If you truly think it sucks and are ashamed to be watching it, then don't watch it. But don't watch the show and then whine to me about your inability to secure a little self-confidence in the things you like to do in life.

i don't think you actually read what i said. i don't care if you want to defend it to your grave but just stop name-dropping. every time someone bashes glee you bring up the fact that i watch it as if that somehow lends credence to it being a good show. it's a guilty pleasure for me; something i know is just awful but you do it in private anyway. like playing pokemon.

i don't think you actually read what i said. i don't care if you want to defend it to your grave but just stop name-dropping. every time someone bashes glee you bring up the fact that i watch it as if that somehow lends credence to it being a good show. it's a guilty pleasure for me; something i know is just awful but you do it in private anyway. like playing pokemon.

and maple story!

I dislike Glee because it's a terrible musical with a terrible cast, with only one or two notable singers throughout the entirety of the show. It's also a little too flamboyantly gay for my tastes, so instead of watching terrible television I just pop in a good movie instead.

Glee sounds like a funny word.

Glee is gay.

Glee is the Ed Sullivan Show with a plot line. There I said it. It's also in color.

Edit:Wanted to add more, but I believe it would be flaming Froz for no reason. It doesn't belong in this kind of conversation. All I will say is, have fun in band Rick.

If you go to Band Camp, bring back lots of stories about you trying to bang the girls. Maybe it'll be enough for a American Pie Band Camp sequel!

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bring back lots of stories about you trying to bang the girls

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