Return of the Explorers; Part 1

The problem is giving Bishops more power disrupts the little balance within the game we actually have. Bishops aren't mean to be a damage dealing class, leave that title to the classes built around offense to do so. Or throw everyone some Holy Symbol and Heal and Rez man, then we can talk about increasing a Bishops already broken damage.

@above, I have a 17x Bishop, I'm wanted in boss runs and training parties for Bless, Heal, Holy Symbol, Resurrect, Dispel. Replaceable with potions? Sure. They always have, yet they always have been wanted. What is available in Stores and Cash shops are irrelevant. Bishops are a wanted class, that hasn't changed since the start of the game.

Bishops are too close to an offensive class DPS in the first place.

and getting Genesis 30? Easy as pie. Go on Boss runs, Get connections, a Bishop won't have trouble finding a bossing group. The availability of said skillbooks is a irrelevant point, Genesis 30 wouldn't be as expensive/in-demand if Bishops weren't a popular/good class. Often Genesis 30 is only a 10 level difference in magic damage anyways, they still are way too close to other classes with Genesis 20, or 30.

Heal is even useless now that we have NLC potions. hehe

Even a higher base atk or a status effect for angel ray would be tits.

Heal is even useless now that we have NLC potions. hehe

Even a higher base atk or a status effect for angel ray would be tits.

Ever HT-ed without heal man? Its a b'itch.

I have nothing to say about the Angel Ray comment, I've stated my reasoning quite a few times why Bishops shouldn't have extra power.

The problem is giving Bishops more power disrupts the little balance within the game we actually have. Bishops aren't mean to be a damage dealing class, leave that title to the classes built around offense to do so. Or throw everyone some Holy Symbol and Heal and Rez man, then we can talk about increasing a Bishops already broken damage.

@above, I have a 17x Bishop, I'm wanted in boss runs and training parties for Bless, Heal, Holy Symbol, Resurrect, Dispel. Replaceable with potions? Sure. They always have, yet they always have been wanted. What is available in Stores and Cash shops are irrelevant. Bishops are a wanted class, that hasn't changed since the start of the game.

Bishops are too close to an offensive class DPS in the first place.and getting Genesis 30? Easy as pie. Go on Boss runs, Get connections, a Bishop won't have trouble finding a bossing group. The availability of said skillbooks is a irrelevant point, Genesis 30 wouldn't be as expensive/in-demand if Bishops weren't a popular/good class. Often Genesis 30 is only a 10 level difference in magic damage anyways, they still are way too close to other classes with Genesis 20, or 30.

HAHAHAHA...!!
Easy as pie? really you must leave in the moon or in a world full of pink elephants...
Bishops wont have trouble finding a boss run? mmmm idk your world but in windia theres like 2 or 3 at most ht groups (wich are almost the same ppl just leader change) and they have their own bishops!! they do not want any other bishop! they could accept NL, BM,MM, Heros etc but not bishops! they only use like 2-3
Giving 5k (or a little more) more dmg wont disrupt a shiet!

Edit: about the bishops killing faster than NL, that was sarcasm...

No one took you seriously, rest assured. I honestly don't understand you. All that babbling about Bishops being boring with just HS/Dispel and that they should at least get a buffed Holy Shield, guess what, it's perfectly fine if you just leave it there. Yet:

> Make a Bishop if you want to train faster? LOL SRSLY.
> This game is all about dmg -> NL/Corsair have it best? See above.

Facts have been pointed out yet nonsense still keeps coming, I honestly don't see the point. Now I might be jumping the gun here, but I would dare guess that the idea of "balance" here is about the population. Warriors are supposed to deal damage, thus major improvements to the Failadins were made. Other classes have been too hard to play, leading to certain skill tweaks (DS, BStep, DoubleShot, etc). Some certain skills were made not-so-obsolete with this change, and this is where Holy Shield should belong.
If your wish was simply to have some new toy to play with and not feel left out, I perfectly understand, I feel the same way as a Drk. However, to repute that Bishop isn't already the most blessed class in this game is rather unnecessary.

Still not everything, besides bishops arent as needed as they were before.

I'd have to say it's quite the opposite. Bishops no longer feel the need to train with people who worked together with them before in 3rd job. Why do you think countless warriors migrated to ToT to train? PoTs? Yeah, right.

About HT: Lol, try joining it as any other class. HT isn't about how good you are, it's about who you are.

HAHAHAHA...!!
Easy as pie? really you must leave in the moon or in a world full of pink elephants...
Bishops wont have trouble finding a boss run? mmmm idk your world but in windia theres like 2 or 3 at most ht groups (wich are almost the same ppl just leader change) and they have their own bishops!! they do not want any other bishop! they could accept NL, BM,MM, Heros etc but not bishops! they only use like 2-3
Giving 5k (or a little more) more dmg wont disrupt a shiet!

Take initiative and make your own group, I got tired of waiting for Legit runs to up here, so thats exactly what I did. Getting Genesis 30 is a highly over-hyped difficulty. Bossing depends mainly on connections anyways, making your own group if you can't get in one is the sure fire way to go.

And show us the exact changes you want to Genesis and Angel Ray then if you don't think it will break a already wonderful class. You can already compete with attackers in situations, You do not need anything else.

as Kalovale said above me, I understand wanting a new toy to play with, Especially since I have a Drk/Bishop as well, but to claim that Bishops need or deserve it is something else entirely.

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Hybrid DrKs say hi.

Over-hyped in any server where HT isn't monopolised with D/C hacks, sure. Everything else I agree on, bishops really do their job very well. If extra damage would make no difference and change nothing then why bother?

Should be interesting if she made her own group with just "0-2 bishops" as she said. lol

2 is the minimum, not recommended to go with 2 but it's been done before (with the chance of 3rd party dieing in chain seduce on right arm; neither Bishops can DC), 3 is recommended (1 bishop minimum can DC after right arm is dead), 4 is great (2 bishops minimum can DC after right arm is dead).

Not sure when was the last time she went to the glitchy Horntail runs GMS has (for vista and Win7 users). Win7 users are almost guaranteed to DC 90% of the time.

No one took you seriously, rest assured. I honestly don't understand you. All that babbling about Bishops being boring with just HS/Dispel and that they should at least get a buffed Holy Shield, guess what, it's perfectly fine if you just leave it there. Yet:

> Make a Bishop if you want to train faster? LOL SRSLY.
> This game is all about dmg -> NL/Corsair have it best? See above.

Facts have been pointed out yet nonsense still keeps coming, I honestly don't see the point. Now I might be jumping the gun here, but I would dare guess that the idea of "balance" here is about the population. Warriors are supposed to deal damage, thus major improvements to the Failadins were made. Other classes have been too hard to play, leading to certain skill tweaks (DS, BStep, DoubleShot, etc). Some certain skills were made not-so-obsolete with this change, and this is where Holy Shield should belong.
If your wish was simply to have some new toy to play with and not feel left out, I perfectly understand, I feel the same way as a Drk. However, to repute that Bishop isn't already the most blessed class in this game is rather unnecessary.


I'd have to say it's quite the opposite. Bishops no longer feel the need to train with people who worked together with them before in 3rd job. Why do you think countless warriors migrated to ToT to train? PoTs? Yeah, right.

About HT: Lol, try joining it as any other class. HT isn't about how good you are, it's about who you are.

Are you sure no one? can you read our minds?
when are you ppl gonna understand that bishops JUST train faster than anyone else, but just that, some one you think bishops have "everything~" wow thats a big word for HS+ genesis! seems like everything means bishops can solo bosses as fast as melee clases do.
any other classes? nty, i dont wanna spend that much nx just for hp.

Take initiative and make your own group, I got tired of waiting for Legit runs to up here, so thats exactly what I did. Getting Genesis 30 is a highly over-hyped difficulty. Bossing depends mainly on connections anyways, making your own group if you can't get in one is the sure fire way to go.

And show us the exact changes you want to Genesis and Angel Ray then if you don't think it will break a already wonderful class. You can already compete with attackers in situations, You do not need anything else.

as Kalovale said above me, I understand wanting a new toy to play with, Especially since I have a Drk/Bishop as well, but to claim that Bishops need or deserve it is something else entirely.

Nty again, have you heard about greedy hosters or dcers? anyone trying to be new host will be DCED (unless of course they are friends with the main hosters) nothing new here.
just explain me something: why dont you wanna bishops to get more attack? unbalance where? 5-10k more dmg? whos affected by that? are you? tell me why.

Should be interesting if she made her own group with just "0-2 bishops" as she said. lol

2 is the minimum, not recommended to go with 2 but it's been done before (with the chance of 3rd party dieing in chain seduce on right arm; neither Bishops can DC), 3 is recommended (1 bishop minimum can DC after right arm is dead), 4 is great (2 bishops minimum can DC after right arm is dead).

Not sure when was the last time she went to the glitchy Horntail runs GMS has (for vista and Win7 users). Win7 users are almost guaranteed to DC 90% of the time.

dont you think windia's groups can do it with just 2 bishops? i think they are pro enough to make it.

No. this game is all about attack so what else do you want?

I don't think we are playing the same game. But this game is only all about attack if you make it that way.

If your wish was simply to have some new toy to play with and not feel left out, I perfectly understand, I feel the same way as a Drk.

Dark Knights already got a new toy to play with when Berserk was boosted to 50%.

Are you sure no one? can you read our minds?
when are you ppl gonna understand that bishops JUST train faster than anyone else, but just that, some one you think bishops have "everything~" wow thats a big word for HS+ genesis! seems like everything means bishops can solo bosses as fast as melee clases do.
any other classes? nty, i dont wanna spend that much nx just for hp.

"Anyone that has responded to that statement of yours" would be a better claim, since you clearly didn't infer that much. That is to say, Sarah and I did not.

So I see, you want to solo bosses, well, tough pomegranate.
This pretty much ends my attempt in clearing things up. Honestly, I'm a melee and I don't even think my Drk deserves to kill any faster than it already is. Perhaps more variable skill uses, yes; more power, no.
I will be repeating mostly what has been said if I post anymore, so for the last time, consider the activities you can do in this game:
- Training solo: check
- Training group: check
- Bossing: check
- Bossing so- OH WAIT A MINUTE.

3% chance per arrow. 4 chances for insta-kill per strafe. It'll occur a lot more often than people think it will.

Oh, 3% per arrow. Now that is pretty awesome!

"Anyone that has responded to that statement of yours" would be a better claim, since you clearly didn't infer that much. That is to say, Sarah and I did not.

So I see, you want to solo bosses, well, tough pomegranate.
This pretty much ends my attempt in clearing things up. Honestly, I'm a melee and I don't even think my Drk deserves to kill any faster than it already is. Perhaps more variable skill uses, yes; more power, no.
I will be repeating mostly what has been said if I post anymore, so for the last time, consider the activities you can do in this game:
- Training solo: check
- Training group: check
- Bossing: check
- Bossing so- OH WAIT A MINUTE.

Really? did i say that? JESUS CHRIST!!!

I just want to know why ppl hate so much on bishops (cause they train faster...what else?) can anyone in this world explain me this simply shiet?
and like i asked before: whats the problem if bishops get more attack, you shouldnt care if they hit hard enough (slow as hell) just care about your own business, but i guess its too much to ask

Really? did i say that? JESUS CHRIST!!!

God, sarcasm doesn't work really well on someone who likes her sarcasm...

I just want to know why ppl hate so much on bishops (cause they train faster...what else?) can anyone in this world explain me this simply shiet?!
and like i asked before: whats the problem if bishops get more attack, you shouldnt care if they hit hard enough (slow as hell) just care about your own business, but i guess its too much to ask

No one hates them, it is just what it is, they do not need anything more. A buffed up Holy Shield is fine, 30minute HS is fine, 5k more damage is fine, they can have/not have any of those, I don't care. The point is: they do not NEED anything, at all.

You've said the exact same thing for like 15 posts, really is it that hard to get? the only thing that bishops can't do is high 1 on 1 damage, but they got fast mob damage and nice support skills, look at other classes for a second, I'll take myself as an example.
Buccaneers: we don't have half of the training speed of a bishop, our only useful party skill only works on 2 or 3 classes, and our bossing damage is bad. Pros? It's fun as hell, that's why I like mine and I don't care if it's weak, would I like some boost? maybe passive critical or higher damage on barrage? Yeah I would, but I won't peach about just because.
Let's look at another class shadowers? Same as buccs practically, MMs?, they're awesome, but they live in the shadow of the BMs.
Point is, you can't have everything, bishops is one of the most complete classes there is, if you think there's one that's more complete, just make it.

No one hates Bishops, we hate imbalance, and like to reserve the little balance we have; Bishops getting more stronger is not balanced, Bishops do not need anything else, as they are a damn good class.

If the updates you want won't mean anything, why do they even matter? If they will make no difference, there is no point in making them. Any power increasing update that WOULD matter would, once again, break the little balance we have. Bishops shouldn't be as close as they are to other classes, they have a lot going for them, there has to be a flaw SOMEWHERE.

God, sarcasm doesn't work really well on someone who likes her sarcasm...


No one hates them, it is just what it is, they do not need anything more. A buffed up Holy Shield is fine, 30minute HS is fine, 5k more damage is fine, they can have/not have any of those, I don't care. The point is: they do not NEED anything, at all.

I dont think "no one hates them" if they dont, why dont they just let them be? but no" i dont hate you but i dont want you to be stonger" its the general idea.

I played a bishop for 200 lvs and believe me i dont think its that godly/perfect/ultimate class/above all others. i just dont do.

Edit: do you think corsairs needed all that improvement?

Maybe they should buff up triple throw and hurricane too, I mean, I don't hate them so maybe they should get stronger.

Maybe they should buff up triple throw and hurricane too, I mean, I don't hate them so maybe they should get stronger.

why not? that would be awesome? i would make a nl then.