Competitive Pokemon OU Tourney [Round 1]

Despite Latias being banned from OU, I'll still consider her OU for this tournament.

Despite Latias being banned from OU, I'll still consider her OU for this tournament.

Good.
There's still no reason to put Latias in Ubers, lots of pokemon counter her fine.

Good.
There's still no reason to put Latias in Ubers, lots of pokemon counter her fine.

Tyranitar, Scizor, and Blissey isn't a lot.


I don't mind either way since I won't have to scrap my old team for round 2.

Tyranitar, Scizor, and Blissey isn't a lot.


I don't mind either way since I won't have to scrap my old team for round 2.

Not to mention Scizor is afraid of HP Fire and Blissey is afraid of Trick.

I hope Salamence gets out of the way too.

Not to mention Scizor is afraid of HP Fire and Blissey is afraid of Trick.

I hope Salamence gets out of the way too.

And Tyranitar is afraid of Surf/Grass Knot.


Latias was over-centralizing OU, which is why it deserved to be banned IMO.

Most Latias won't run HP fire.
And if it doesn't, an unboosted surf will usually 2HKO, allowing for two bullet punches, most likely enough to kill it.
Scarf TTars tear it apart.
Any explosion tears it apart.
Latias is not Uber material, plenty of common pokemon take it down.

While they're at it, they might as well ban Scizor, the most overused pokemon in the entire metagame.
If they're gonna ban a pokemon that has plenty of weaknesses to it, they might as well go through every other pokemon before it first.

Most Latias won't run HP fire.
And if it doesn't, an unboosted surf will usually 2HKO, allowing for two bullet punches, most likely enough to kill it.
Scarf TTars tear it apart.
Any explosion tears it apart.
Latias is not Uber material, plenty of common pokemon take it down.

While they're at it, they might as well ban Scizor, the most overused pokemon in the entire metagame.
If they're gonna ban a pokemon that has plenty of weaknesses to it, they might as well go through every other pokemon before it first.

Scizor's CB Bullet Punch does like 68% max to Latias, meaning it can easily switch out and come back later to bash you with another Draco Meteor later.

The main reason Scarf Tar skyrocketed in usage the past few months is because of SpecsLatias, which can 2HKO Scizor and Tyranitar with Surf and cripple Blissey with Trick. Scarf Tar can outspeed it and KO, but it has to play the Crunch/Pursuit game with Latias since Pursuit won't OHKO if it doesn't switch. Mispredict against Latias and Tyranitar won't be able to take it out, at least against a smart opponent.

Having to resort to Explosion to take out Latias is a win-win situation for the Latias user. Besides, no Explosion user is fast enough to outspeed Latias without Choice Scarf (except Azelf), meaning predicting it is very easy.

Usage alone doesn't determine if a Pokemon is Uber. IIRC, Skymin was like #14 in usage, yet it's clearly Uber. Scizor is used so much because it checks many threats. This is the same reason why Tyranitar is currently the #2 most used Pokemon. Notice how they are both Latias' best checks too. That's over-centralizing.

Like Bribery said, bans aren't based on usage. If Latias is broken and the best check to it is Tyranitar, do you ban Latias or do you ban Tyranitar?

Scizor is far from broken because Gyarados, Zapdos, Gliscor, Swampert, Rotom and plenty of others will wall it all day and it has to go out of its way to take each one down. Magnezone and Heatran destroy it if they don't switch into a Superpower. On the other hand, Specs Draco Meteor and Surf have the same nearly flawless coverage that Kingdra has, except with 110 base Special Attack and Speed. It also has enough bulk to stay in on a Pursuit from would-be counters and 2hko if it used the right move. The few Pokemon that have enough special bulk to switch into all of a Specs Latias's commonly used moves (Blissey, some Umbreons) are screwed over by Trick.

Hell, even Blissey is a Scizor check if you're doing it right, the same way it used to be a Garchomp check back in the day.

...I never played during the Garchomp Era days, but I think that Blissey could get 1hkoed easily by Garchomp :3.

Easily is an understatement. Blissey would get butt-raped.

Still waiting for your battle, Speed Bump/Ceddybear.

Easily is an understatement. Blissey would get butt-raped.

Again, if you do it right. Disastrously wrong if you... do it wrong.

Blissey is just setup bait. Who actually uses her? "Oh look at me, I can't do anything except waste PP and status"

I don't see how any standard Blissey sets can stop a Garchomp, but maybe it's just me.

Blissey's max speed: 229
Garchomp's max speed: 333

Garchomp is also part Ground, thus rendering T-wave useless. That's one strike for Blissey. Ice Beam is nearly useless because of either:
a) Garchomp holding a Yache Berry
b) Blissey's near-craptacular Spe. Att stat, though it can fatally damage Garchomp, it won't kill it in a single hit.

That's 2 down. Seismic Toss does 100 damage per turn, Garchomp has a possible max HP of 420. Which means it would take a total of 5 turns for Bliss to pull that off. That's 3 strikes down. If you're counting in Toxic (which most Blisses won't even have to start with), then it's a possible stall-war option. Another scenario is if you're switching in Blissey when someone brings out Garchomp, it might be too late if it's a SD'ing Garchomp. Automatic gg.

I don't see Blissey as having too many options at all. If you could show me how you think Blissey could even win this, I'd like to see. Even with a Choice Banded STAB'd Dragon Claw without an SD, Garchomp would probably kill Blissey in 1 hit, though I'm not too positive on this, and it could actually be 2 hits, but no more than 2. But if it's Choice Banding Garchomp with STAB'd Outrage.. heh.

Most Blissey had Ice Beam back then, meaning it could use Ice Beam to check for Yache Berry. Then you could safely bring in your designated Garchomp revenge killer and take it out, provided that you didn't get boned by Sand Veil hax.

IMO, all Blissey should use Ice Beam so that Gliscor, Salamence, and Breloom can't set up on it. Blissey may seem like setup bait, but it continues to appear on every stall team because nothing does its job better.

I want to fight rayquaza already.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, Almost time for matches to be up :T

If you guys delay further I'll disqualify both of you and put a reserve in, since you both seem equally active :3.

I did see a match with them the other day. Not sure if it was a test, but Ceddy won one match. Didn't see anything after that. :T