gMS Tespia Was a challenge to Odin?

I'm writing "essays" just to convince NEXON to open Tespia if they're even reading this. Obviously just saying "I think they should open Tespia" won't be useful.

You haven't provided a single legitimate reason for Tespia to open back up.

I think I've already explained myself well and I did provide some good reasons for NEXON to open it back.

I'd laugh my ass off if Tespia, by some miracle, was released and Combattente wasn't chosen to participate in it.

I think I've already explained myself well and I did provide some good reasons for NEXON to open it back.

Rereading through your previous posts, all you really did was suggest how Nexon could improve Tespia if it were to be released again. Why should Nexon rerelease Tespia? Again, they don't benefit from it at all, and it may even hurt them more than it helps them (Not that it really helps them at all).

Your only answer to this will end up being something along the lines of "Bug free patches", but that's a joke, and you know it. Nobody, whether they're "hired" through an application process similar to the MWLB, or if they're just another public tester, is going to be able to find a bug within a patch that a developer or official tester can't easily find themselves.

and it evidently shows that THERE IS a Tespia. It's just that NEXON only lets their workers play it.

As it should be. We all know Nexon is an incompetent group of idiots, so what makes you think the collective idiocy of GMS could do any better? From my past experience with the first Tespia no one was testing anything. There was just smega spam and people wanting to Zakum. Do you know what that means? Tespia was full of low-leveled GMS kids who wanted nothing more than to experience the big game. They had absolutely no desire to find bugs. As expected, when the patch went public it was full of bugs.

Your argument is that Nexon should take Tespia applications like the MWLB. But why should they waste their time? Nexon is obviously content with their current employee testers. If anything, the Pirate class is evidence enough that they do not give a shit. Besides, Nexon has stated themselves that they ended Tespia because they didn't want to spoil the patch contents ahead of time.

Just drop it for the sake of everyone's sanity.

Nobody, whether they're "hired" through an application process similar to the MWLB, or if they're just another public tester, is going to be able to find a bug within a patch that a developer or official tester can't easily find themselves.

Oh really? There are many, many bugs which people are able to find within the first minutes a new patch is released. Many of them are really noticeable, like the lack of some NPCs for some Balrog-related quests.

If a developer or an official tester from NEXON can't even find these evident bugs, I think I'm free to think that he/she is an incompetent or hasn't got any experience of previous game testing.

As it should be. We all know Nexon is an incompetent group of idiots, so what makes you think the collective idiocy of GMS could do any better? From my past experience with the first Tespia no one was testing anything. There was just smega spam and people wanting to Zakum. Do you know what that means? Tespia was full of low-leveled GMS kids who wanted nothing more than to experience the big game. They had absolutely no desire to find bugs. As expected, when the patch went public it was full of bugs.

Your argument is that Nexon should take Tespia applications like the MWLB. But why should they waste their time? Nexon is obviously content with their current employee testers. If anything, the Pirate class is evidence enough that they do not give a shit. Besides, Nexon has stated themselves that they ended Tespia because they didn't want to spoil the patch contents ahead of time.

Just drop it for the sake of everyone's sanity.

They said that they didn't want people to experience MASTERIA content ahead of time and that they wouldn't have released Tespia for that, not that they would have stopped opening it because of that. Besides, I think that Masteria / exclusive (e.g.: "Episode 1") content would be one of the MAIN content to test, as it wasn't released in any other version before.

But yeah, I admit as well that, after my experience in all the three rounds, everyone was more interested in doing Zakum runs etc. than testing content, which was the main purpose of Tespia. But that's because I'm saying they should do MWLB-like applications.

Yeah, maybe they would waste their time, but this could be a good chance for them to not have to hire testers and to let GOOD PEOPLE test. Maybe something good could come out of that. Who knows.

Again, I'm confident that if they modified some aspects of it, Tespia would have a great outcome. Don't say that they'd be wasting their time: we can't know how Tespia would be if they chose testers more thoroughly like I said. It could be the same or even worse, sure, but it could be better as well.

Sure, the last Tespia rounds were a failure and they were just full of idiots who weren't testing AT ALL, and all the reported bugs weren't fixed (but that's because of the people who got in Tespia, not because of NEXON).

But just because the previous Tespia rounds were a failure that doesn't mean that they're still going to be even after the improvements suggested by some users.

If they're content with their current testers, then they don't realize that they are doing an horrible job, because within the first minutes a new patch is released, people already start finding bugs.

If those people got in Tespia, they could avoid some patches from having certain bugs.

Of course you once again ignored the cold hard facts. Nexon doesn't care. I don't have enough fingers to count all of the problems currently wrong with this game.

Simply put you are blindly following something that does not matter.

Sure, the last Tespia rounds were a failure and they were just full of idiots who weren't testing AT ALL, and all the reported bugs weren't fixed (but that's because of the people who got in Tespia, not because of NEXON).

That's wrong. First of all, just because someone didn't spend countless hours searching for bugs doesn't make them an idiot. I sincerely doubt that you went out of your way to search for ANY bugs; everyone was too busy testing out 4th job classes, seeing how they were relatively new when Tespia was first released. Second, there were plenty of bugs found within all three Tespia. In fact, I can remember quite clearly the loads of bugs reported in Tespia threads on Sleepywood, and even the most clear-as-day glitches and bugs weren't fixed when the patch was put out.

Again, I'm confident that if they modified some aspects of it, Tespia would have a great outcome. Don't say that they'd be wasting their time: we can't know how Tespia would be if they chose testers more thoroughly like I said. It could be the same or even worse, sure, but it could be better as well.

Get real. Why would Nexon go through the trouble? Do you honestly think that there are people out there that want to search a game for bugs and glitches, and have no idea where to start? Do you really think, assuming that these "specially chosen content testers" find some bugs, Nexon would even fix them given their history regarding the previous three Tespias? Your application process is as flawed as any other on the internet nowadays; what's stopping anybody from bullshitting Nexon into letting them try out unreleased content? While we don't know who all of the MWLB members are, do you really think they all want to spend hours searching for hackers? They're not getting paid anything; most of them just want to plantain around and feel superior. The same applies to Tespia.

But yeah, I admit as well that, after my experience in all the three rounds, everyone was more interested in doing Zakum runs etc. than testing content, which was the main purpose of Tespia. [SIZE="4"]But that's because I'm saying they should do MWLB-like applications.[/SIZE]

[SIZE="4"] Yeah, they would waste their time[/SIZE], but this could be a good chance for them to not have to hire testers and to let GOOD PEOPLE test. Maybe something good could come out of that. Who knows.

All I got.

Also, just because there were a bunch of stupid idiots last does doesn't mean there will be stupid idiots again....But, it definitely doesn't destroy the possibility of there being even bigger retards next time.

That's wrong. First of all, just because someone didn't spend countless hours searching for bugs doesn't make them an idiot. I sincerely doubt that you went out of your way to search for ANY bugs; everyone was too busy testing out 4th job classes, seeing how they were relatively new when Tespia was first released. Second, there were plenty of bugs found within all three Tespia. In fact, I can remember quite clearly the loads of bugs reported in Tespia threads on Sleepywood, and even the most clear-as-day glitches and bugs weren't fixed when the patch was put out.

I'm not saying that everyone who didn't spend countless hours searching bugs was an idiot (even if that was the main purpose of Tespia anyway), I'm just saying that the "loads of bugs" which were reported couldn't be fixed because, according to what NxProse said, there were more spam messages in their inbox than reports (for every useful bug, around 40-50 spam reports) so they couldn't read through all of them because it just wasn't worth the time.

If only there were less idiots who sent reports like that in all the three rounds, maybe things would've gone slightly differently.

Get real. Why would Nexon go through the trouble? Do you honestly think that there are people out there that want to search a game for bugs and glitches, and have no idea where to start? Do you really think, assuming that these "specially chosen content testers" find some bugs, Nexon would even fix them given their history regarding the previous three Tespias?

What I said above applies to this sentence as well.

Your application process is as flawed as any other on the internet nowadays; what's stopping anybody from bullshitting Nexon into letting them try out unreleased content? While we don't know who all of the MWLB members are, do you really think they all want to spend hours searching for hackers? They're not getting paid anything; most of them just want to plantain around and feel superior. The same applies to Tespia.

I'm not saying that my application process isn't flawed. In fact, it probably is, and some idiots like the ones who got in the first three rounds would probably get in as well, but at least what happened then shouldn't happen as often anymore (manually choosing them instead than randomly selecting them obviously reduces the amount of idiots who would get in), and NEXON staff should be able to read through the reports without problems. If they only got one or two spam reports every 10-20 actual reports, I think they wouldn't have had problems nor they'd have closed Tespia.

Don't blame the lack of action taken on the testers. They could have dug into all of those reports to find what seemed like a legitimate bug report and looked into it, but like Mark said, they really don't care enough to put fifteen minutes into solving one problem. You keep saying stuff like "WELL IF THE USERS WERE BLAH BLAH" or "WELL IF NEXON IMPLEMENTED AN APPLICATION PROCESS HURR", things would be better, but that's just not the way it's going to work. Don't you think Nexon considered an application process before Tespia was even announced? Absolutely. They knew it wasn't worth the effort.

Take a look at the facts and stop trying to imagine how great it could be in the future. "If I owned Nexon, things would be different around here", etc. Stop bringing in "If, then" statements; they don't mean anything. If my grandma had a plantain, she'd be my grandpa.

Don't blame the lack of action taken on the testers. They could have dug into all of those reports to find what seemed like a legitimate bug report and looked into it, but like Mark said, they really don't care enough to put fifteen minutes into solving one problem. You keep saying stuff like "WELL IF THE USERS WERE BLAH BLAH" or "WELL IF NEXON IMPLEMENTED AN APPLICATION PROCESS HURR", things would be better, but that's just not the way it's going to work. Don't you think Nexon considered an application process before Tespia was even announced? Absolutely. They knew it wasn't worth the effort.

It'd have taken them DAYS to go through all the thousand of reports WITH the spam ones, and I think they have better things to do than going through so many reports, expecially if 80% of them is spam.

But okay, maybe I should be more realist about this.

If my grandma had a plantain, she'd be my grandpa.

If my grandma had a plantain, she'd be my grandpa.

If my grandma had a plantain, she'd be my grandpa.

I lol'd.

I kind of doubt we are talking days to go through the reports.
Open a report/post w/e, you see "errhurm turgh I cen has meso in reil gajm plox"and you go on to the next and ignore the phail child posting. Any person ever studying at a university could scout out relevant information without reading much of each report and judge if the post is usable or not. As been said before, they do not care enough to actually eliminate the bugs. It cost them money and as long as they are getting money anyway, why limit the profit?

Guys, this probably doesn't mean anything, but I just noticed that the Tespia homepage is back up.

http://maplestoryt.nexon.net/

It had been down for a good while now, so it's kinda strange to see it up again. Maybe.. they're actually going to open it back?

There is just a little more hope after this. At least for me. Remember that their website gave an error message which probably meant that they deleted it or something. The fact that this site is back probably doesn't just mean that it fixed itself, as it's impossible, but that they are actually doing something with it. Who knows..

I think that Tespia is a waste of time in our version. It's needed in KMS, which is obvious. But why do WE need it? The gm's can do far better than our players can in terms of testing. Seeing as, with their gm powers, they'll be able to test all new content from hell and back.


Nexon usually waits to fix bugs, and they never fix bugs that they feel are extremely minor and a waste of time. Tespia isn't gonna change that in my opinion, all it really would be is a mini private server for new content they made. Before they ACTUALLY release it to the players. Sure, it's cool and all, but I really feel it'd be a waste of time.

But if the players want Tespia, I have no problem with them wanting it. Good luck to them getting Nexon to bring it back up.

The gm's can do far better than our players can in terms of testing. Seeing as, with their gm powers, they'll be able to test all new content from hell and back.

They have the potential to do that, but seeing the last patches.. I have some doubts about them doing a thorough testing.

I never really found anything wrong with the game. The only annoying things I've found so far are the sound effects to the first job pirate skills, I wish they'd just fix that already. But other than that, I haven't really found any bugs that literally make the game unplayable or threataned(besides all that DC glitch and hack stuff, I'm not to smart about that stuff).


Does Nexon have to recode everything when they get a new job, or do they just have to name change it? Like, did they have to redo the entire cygnus job or just rename all the skills? If it was the latter, I really don't think tespia is needed.


Although, a good reason to get tespia would be for GMS only content. I remember when we got CWK and the reactors were all screwed up, Tespia probably could have actually fixed something like that. So if it was in terms of content exlusive to our version(or wierd content from non korean versions) then yeah, Tespia would be good.

I never really found anything wrong with the game. The only annoying things I've found so far are the sound effects to the first job pirate skills, I wish they'd just fix that already. But other than that, I haven't really found any bugs that literally make the game unplayable or threataned(besides all that DC glitch and hack stuff, I'm not to smart about that stuff).


Does Nexon have to recode everything when they get a new job, or do they just have to name change it? Like, did they have to redo the entire cygnus job or just rename all the skills? If it was the latter, I really don't think tespia is needed.


Although, a good reason to get tespia would be for GMS only content. I remember when we got CWK and the reactors were all screwed up, Tespia probably could have actually fixed something like that. So if it was in terms of content exlusive to our version(or wierd content from non korean versions) then yeah, Tespia would be good.

They "just" translate strings and implement the stuff in the game and in the server.

But they somehow still manage to introduce bugs which were never implemented in KMS. For example, they forgot to add a NPC for some Balrog quests. Sure, that doesn't make the game unplayable or threatened, but it's still a bug which makes doing a quest impossible.

Also, what about the Jr. Newties dropping Dark Tokens? This doesn't make the game unplayable but it makes it unbalanced for some people, because people who were able to abuse of the bug were able to make a lot of money and get a godly belt as well, while people who didn't, weren't.

Sadly, they said they don't want to make some people experience the exclusive content before others, therefore there will probably never be a Tespia for official content, which, as you said, probably would be one of the few good reasons to open Tespia.

EDIT: They removed the download link from the download button as well from the website.. I'm 100% sure they left it there before, and it worked as well. They actually did a modification or two to the website.. maybe there is some hope.

Yeah but I'm not sure a whole batch of Tespia would be required in order to fix those bugs. Granted, forgetting a whole npc for the balrog quest was a stupid move, and their fault. Something they should fix ASAP once discovered, I really don't think a Tespia phase was needed to prevent that. Same thing with the tokens being dropped by the newts. They fixed that after like, 2 days didn't they? lol

Yeah but I'm not sure a whole batch of Tespia would be required in order to fix those bugs. Granted, forgetting a whole npc for the balrog quest was a stupid move, and their fault. Something they should fix ASAP once discovered, I really don't think a Tespia phase was needed to prevent that. Same thing with the tokens being dropped by the newts. They fixed that after like, 2 days didn't they? lol

Still, as you said, there are more important bugs like pirate skill sounds which aren't still fixed, and there were a lot of other bugs like the CWKPQ bug introduced with 0.77 patch anyway, so mine were just some examples.