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DualReaver Wrote: Sure, they get raped at everything by the damn Cygnus classes, since two fighters can't outperform a TB at CPQ, but that doesn't mean they're going to say "Hey, they're stronger than me, so I should go be like them."
Not really, Bandits still outdo every Cygnus class at CPQ, and Assassins are just about as good as NWs.
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rattown Wrote:mw 30 from boxes ? pink bean drops ruined before people defeat the pink furball ? its all so exciting cant wait till the patch and what the hell is the version up business ? is it like episode 2 in msea ? hmmm or are they fixing things ? hmmmm. cant wait till more news but this is a great start for halloween week  we never said there would be MW30.
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Devil Wrote:Well, maybe you ppl spend too much time in Leafre / Time Temple, but if you go outside of there you'll see the majority of the NEW/STARTING maple players is just playing cygnus classes as their main characters. And when the Aran class comes it will be quite simple what people will make when they're new to maple. Just visualize it, how -new- maple players will think when they start with maple in a while:
Create a:
- Cygnus
- Adventurer
- Aran
Why would you create an Adventurer anymore?
- Arans outdamage them
- Only Bishops and SE mules could be usefull later on... maybe HB at Pink Bean...
- Rest of adventurer classes can be played as Cygnus, and Cygnus levelup faster AND don't need crappy skillbooks (read: cost money).
So, in a while, Maplestory will only consist of Arans, Bishops (for leeching Arans / SE mules / HB mules), SE / HB mules (to aid Arans), and Cygnus characters... Only a very few people will want create other Adventurer class...
This results in that there will be noone left to do CwKPQ, unless you work your ass off on several forums to recruit enough people to do 1 CwKPQ per 2 weeks and that's it... what a waste of the whole CwKPQ...
That's why I think Cygnus and Aran classes should be allowed to do CwKPQ, just to keep it alive... 
You are kidding right?
You DO know if that's what ms consisted of everything would b crap. No.
Maplestory will NEVER consist of that, especially hb mules. ON will never be defeated, training would fly by too fast, and no one will play. More content appealing will be ruined. Everything will be BS, and at least MS will mature and understand that over time.
We need cwkpq, to most players opinions, and HT will be screwed as well.
None of what your saying makes sense.
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Devil Wrote:Hurrrrrr
Did you forget Cygnus are ****ty at Zak and HT? Not to mention PB. Adventurers are far from extinct.
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Takebacker Wrote:What's to stop them from removing the cap on the # of hammers used on an item then?
MO MONEY MO MONEY RITE?? 
Because that wouldn't be smart in terms of MO MONEY MO MONEY!
1. People can make endgame weapons from hammering, and will have no need to gach for rarer items. People could just stick with their level 10 weapons the whole game, scrolled to unbelievable stats. Sure, they'd get a lot of profit from that one person alone, but that person won't really need to upgrade their equips anymore.
2. Nexon knows that if they make the game too broken, people won't play it. Their decisions may be stupid a lot of the times, but they know that at some point there's a line that they can't cross. Less people playing = less money.
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Devil Wrote:... what a waste of the whole CwKPQ...
That's why I think Cygnus and Aran classes should be allowed to do CwKPQ, just to keep it alive... 
You failed to argue how you would even fight these bosses with cygnus characters. Opening up a pq to a bunch of characters that aren't strong enough to fight the boss is just asinine.
Youre treating cygnus characters as if they are real characters. They are not. They are greatly limited by level. If you want to do anything worthwhile in this game you need to make an adventurer, that is what will keep people making adventurers.
Not everyone jumps bandwagons, not everyone makes characters to be the strongest, so you're Aran argument is also flawed.
If a pq is worth doing, people will find a way to do it. There are plenty of characters capable of being a useful party member for cwkpq, they aren't going to disappear into thin air. Even if someone makes a new Aran, their old adventurer still exists.
Lastly, whats so great about cwkpq? Besides the pendants it's just more bosses with a few lame stages before it. There is no challenge in it. For ranged it's easier then Zak and for melee its another tank fest.
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Devil Wrote:+snip+
I think what you're asking for is a Cygnus cap removed. That would pretty much solve everything you're addressing.
Adventurers won't die out. When people start a new character as a Cygnus, and don't have an adventurer main, they'll realize how little endgame content is open to them. That'd only encourage them to make a adventurer. Hell, they even start out with a 12 att boost, so it makes it even easier for them to start over again.
I suppose you want HT and PB nerfed so Cygnus can fight those too right? Because they'll be totally useless bosses. Hell, why not just get rid of all 140+ content all together? We won't be needing them. Waste of space!
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TugboatWilly Wrote:proof of version up being used before for the people that don't believe it:
http://maplestory.nexon.net/WZ.ASPX?PART...ageIndex=1
http://maplestory.nexon.net/WZ.ASPX?PART...ageIndex=6
 Both of those contain UI changes, so perhaps that means we'll be getting the new cygnus method finally.
VERSION UP is still really bad english and makes very little sense.
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BombsAway Wrote:Both of those contain UI changes, so perhaps that means we'll be getting the new cygnus method finally.
VERSION UP is still really bad english and makes very little sense.
yep u are right and i cant wait to see what new stuff is coming our way... i love patches even cs only patches are fun now a days  i mean come on ive never gambled as much as i have in one month since cs suprises came out lol.  so much fun  so many pets  so many rings  so many clothes  i love patches  .
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Devil Wrote:Why would you create an Adventurer anymore?
- Arans outdamage them
- Only Bishops and SE mules could be usefull later on... maybe HB at Pink Bean...
- Rest of adventurer classes can be played as Cygnus, and Cygnus levelup faster AND don't need crappy skillbooks (read: cost money).
Like every other class in Maple Story, Arans have flaws. Maybe, just maybe, Maplers will continue to play Adventurers because they're content with the benefits that come with each Adventurer class. Not everybody likes going melee, and those that do might not be fond the extremely simplistic combo system that Arans revolve around. I also find it quite ironic that Adventurers are worthless because "Arans outdamage them", yet you've gone out of your way to make your two main characters as weak as possible by following the hipster "Blood" character trend; dumping unnecessary amounts of AP into HP.
Furthermore, there's only four Cygnuses, and eleven Adventurer subclasses. It doesn't mean much to say that Cygnuses level up faster and cost less; once you hit level 120, it's game over (See: Casual).
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Aran wont replace many peoples mains, purely for the fact that they use a button combo system. Theres just too many people who enjoy sitting around with one finger pressed down.
Buccs. brought a bit more deviation from the one button concept, but it didnt bring as much change as Aran will.
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Check out the Maplestory twitter...
"Check out the updates coming soon to MapleStory! Be warned, though: This list is just the tip of the iceberg. ;-)"
Icebergs are only 10% above the surface... What does it mean? How the hell should I know, it's Nexon...
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BombsAway Wrote:Ugh, tomorrow night? I've been anxiously waiting for this all day and they're putting it off like pigfaces?
We haven't had a real patch in TWO MONTHS and they're putting this one off as long as they can. What a bunch of douches.
I could be wrong about this with Nexon, but when I asked a company why they patched so late at night, they told me it was because the korean companys are active at that time(the timezone is prefereable for them) so they can support them with patch problems, and save them from delaying it. If you mean they put it off till 10 days away from halloween, I agree, they put off patches to much. I remember back than when they patched like on the 14th of october.
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ODERS Wrote:Check out the Maplestory twitter...
"Check out the updates coming soon to MapleStory! Be warned, though: This list is just the tip of the iceberg. ;-)"
Icebergs are only 10% above the surface... What does it mean? How the hell should I know, it's Nexon...
Weren't Arans frozen in ice? My mind connects things too much.
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DualReaver Wrote:Weren't Arans frozen in ice? My mind connects things too much.
I also think about Aran don't forget Guys that is our turn to get main Korean content. Aran in November would be great  ( 1day before MSEA plz xD)
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1 word. Leech.
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Devil Wrote:Things that won't be in this patch:
- Cygnus chair ffs!!! (tnx SlayerZach for reminding me )
- Cygnus skill fixes
- Cygnus quest fixes
- Cygnus partyquest entrance fixes
- Cygnus lvl120 Devine Bird quest added to the game
And other stuff that's never gonna be fixed by Nexon America... :')
Ah well... at least the new lvl 70 monsters at the Haunted House can entertain us for 1 hour... :o
Anyway, I expect mass skillbook drops for all current classes in-game, because Nexon can let them mass drop now, since everyone makes an Aran class in the december patch... making all other attack classes useless after that... And Aran skillbooks / equips will be the next Nexon America goldmine anyway... :')
Don't forget Masteria Monster Book cards.
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