For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you?

[SIZE="1"][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Well yes, it hurts my damage. It hurts my wallet. Everyone is a typical "dexless sin" type of archer now when people are on the bandwagon.

Has it hurt my fun? No, I still train as well as funded archers, I still have fun. Comparing damage with other archers is fun, and how fast you can level is fun. Money is never the most impressive things in the world. It's all about fun. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

This has also affected me, I've made my crossbowman before 4th job, before 8x rangers/snipers had it easy just strafing that single newtie.

It makes me jelous in a way that "Why didn't we have it so easy"?

I remember when xbow 60%'s were 300k each. and 30%'s were cheap aswell.

I was kind of wondering why bow/xbow scroll prices skyrocketed. =/

Still though, I'm jealous that later on, you guys can just stand and snipe...

I'm only level 111, Civies was created last March. When I created her I didn't even know 4th jobs existed, hell if I knew I would have gone ranger.

Sooo, I'm not sure if I'm qualified to speak but it annoys me w/ the number of new ranger/snipers these days. People never looked as those classes as "Wow, they're really fun to play" and now all of a sudden it seems like everyone wants to be one.

MY god it's so annoying at STD's now. I'm only a level 58 hunter right now, but I've been there for months due to the bandwagoning. Whenever I lmpq'd and if there was another hunter pqing with us they'd always ask about my gear. >_>

Then at STD's I'd think a dexless sin would be the one most common at ksing me. Nope, its you guessed it, rangers that have just hit 7x spamming arrow rain everywhere. Bah, its made me just fall into the FM and merchant. Though I have been laying off buying/reselling bow scrolls due to the inflation since I remember how much of a pain in the ass it was to scroll my winkel, when scrolling my maple soul searcher only cost me 4-5m.

I quit before I got 4th job, and I began my bowman before 4th job. I found the lvl 10 n00b shooting arrows adorable. Now, when that little n00b is lvl 111 and outdamages some hermits, I pine for the good old days at HHG.

Bandwagoning is sorta inaccurate for bowmen in my opinion. If you want pure unbalanced power, mages make more sense, especially Bishops. Even with Sharp Eyes and other 4th job skills, we level slower than mages do. Simply because we can't spam Ultimates, hitting 15 targets at once. Genesis + HS + Bless, + Heal + Res is just pure munchkin in my opinion. If anything, Bishes should have been the weakest.

Of course, that's all the more reason to play a bowman in my opinion. Bandwagon or no bandwagon, I'd say there are fewer of us than some of the other classes. I do feel bad for the 3rd job DKs which graduated into a weak 4th job.

I quit before I got 4th job, and I began my bowman before 4th job. I found the lvl 10 n00b shooting arrows adorable. Now, when that little n00b is lvl 111 and outdamages some hermits, I pine for the good old days at HHG.

Bandwagoning is sorta inaccurate for bowmen in my opinion. If you want pure unbalanced power, mages make more sense, especially Bishops. Even with Sharp Eyes and other 4th job skills, we level slower than mages do. Simply because we can't spam Ultimates, hitting 15 targets at once. Genesis + HS + Bless, + Heal + Res is just pure munchkin in my opinion. If anything, Bishes should have been the weakest.

Of course, that's all the more reason to play a bowman in my opinion. Bandwagon or no bandwagon, I'd say there are fewer of us than some of the other classes. I do feel bad for the 3rd job DKs which graduated into a weak 4th job.

Well, just because the bandwagoners don't quite understand the Plight of the Archer doesn't mean they're not bandwagoners. Our numbers at high levels are still much lower than other classes for this very reason: the bandwagoners, who likely moved to Archers from Bishops or DKs or Hermits, figured that leveling a hunter would be every bit as easy as those jobs. They then found out the hard truths of being an archer and quit early on. This leaves our item prices inflated (because funded bandwagoners always buy their equips 80 levels in advance) and the population small. Isn't it funny how everyone wants us to have great sharp eyes, and won't party anyone who doesn't, yet they want to charge us out the ass for it? >_>

I also don't feel bad for DKs since most of them were bandwagoners as well. I do feel bad for people who sincerely picked that class because they felt it was the right one for them.

Well, just because the bandwagoners don't quite understand the Plight of the Archer doesn't mean they're not bandwagoners. Our numbers at high levels are still much lower than other classes for this very reason: the bandwagoners, who likely moved to Archers from Bishops or DKs or Hermits, figured that leveling a hunter would be every bit as easy as those jobs. They then found out the hard truths of being an archer and quit early on. This leaves our item prices inflated (because funded bandwagoners always buy their equips 80 levels in advance) and the population small. Isn't it funny how everyone wants us to have great sharp eyes, and won't party anyone who doesn't, yet they want to charge us out the ass for it? >_>

I also don't feel bad for DKs since most of them were bandwagoners as well. I do feel bad for people who sincerely picked that class because they felt it was the right one for them.

Though its true that archers still have the smallest numbers in terms of 4th job classes, I think we're gaining on other classes every day (least that's what I see)/there are more becoming 4th job than before 4th job was around.

I dont know other servers, but if you're truly funded, you dont start training till 14x: Exchange quests to 20ish, bone fish glitch up to a decent level, PQ to 7x, Ultimate leeching at hafs/wolf spiders till 10x, ultimate Newtie leeching till 13-14x/whenever you want to train.

A LOT of people leech for ages off their own characters/buy leech off others that they dont start training till they're well into their 13x-14x levels. For them, how long it takes to train during the lower jobs dont really matter, sadly =X

Bone fish glitch?

Bone fish glitch?

In all honesty, Im not sure how it works either but I hear of it quite often when it comes to funded people leveling their low leveled characters. Something about taking advantage of the bone fish's different power ups.

Well, if you attack Zakum while he's guarded or magic guarded, your chance to miss is zero. So maybe they take really low leveled archers down to bonefish and have them attack a phys guarded bonefish (and it won't miss because it's phys guarded) and then have someone else kill it.

I've never actually heard of this form of abusing it before, but it seems pretty clever.

Well, if you attack Zakum while he's guarded or magic guarded, your chance to miss is zero. So maybe they take really low leveled archers down to bonefish and have them attack a phys guarded bonefish (and it won't miss because it's phys guarded) and then have someone else kill it.

I've never actually heard of this form of abusing it before, but it seems pretty clever.

That should be it but Im not sure. As I've said, Ive never done that before. I was in aqua training my sin at seahorses at level 20 (lol) and a friend's like "why're you training in aqua? Are you bone fish glitching?" and I was like "what's that? O_o" and... yeah. Did a bit of research on SW and it went soemthing along those lines but Ive never tried it so I cant explain it properly.

I think Bone Fish leeching is hard for Archers because if the monster goes to Magic Def. Up, then the only way to do damage is Three Snails which is pretty annoying if you run out of Snail Shells...

I think Mages are best suited since they can just Magic Claw (M.Def) or use a Polearm (Phy. Def).

I think Bone Fish leeching is hard for Archers because if the monster goes to Magic Def. Up, then the only way to do damage is Three Snails which is pretty annoying if you run out of Snail Shells...

I think Mages are best suited since they can just Magic Claw (M.Def) or use a Polearm (Phy. Def).

Three Snails doesn't have a 100% hit rate anymore, otherwise they'd probably just go up to Skelegons or Gatekeepers or something that gives more EXP than bonefish.

Three Snails doesn't have a 100% hit rate anymore, otherwise they'd probably just go up to Skelegons or Gatekeepers or something that gives more EXP than bonefish.

It is a magic attack, though, and that's what lets you hit Bone Fish 100% of the time when they're Magic Cancelled. The best way to do it is to have a Bishop Genesis, and then to take the leeching character and snipe at all of the Weapon Cancelled Bone Fish and Three Snails the Magic Cancelled Bone Fish (I'm not sure about this part as an archer because you take the chance of getting attacked. Then just Genesis again.

It works best for HP Warriors, they can just swim around wildly slash blasting with a polearm at low 2x and get insane exp.

I'd say that the bone fish glitch is good exp in theory but it could have some problems in practicality. Most archers/sins at 2x are 1hko targets for bone fish, not to mention that we dont have a magic attack (as 3 snails doesnt have the 100% acc anymore as Isaac mentioned). Then again, what other "fast" leeching alternatives do you have?

I remember doing 4x on my archer at grims with a pg mule xD

Level 2X People don't need leeching. There's party quests up until 50, then do Hoodoo/Voodoo. I didn't even start leeching until 6X ;]

Level 2X People don't need leeching. There's party quests up until 50, then do Hoodoo/Voodoo. I didn't even start leeching until 6X ;]

leeching is stupid, train your char,learn to use your skills. no wonder 90% of the new archers cant do pomegranate.

Everything's become so expensive, and I'm constantly tired of people asking about what attack/stats equipment I have like it's so important these days. I scrolled my crossbow before dark scrolls were even out and back then I thought it was decent, and now I see insanely scrolled weapons and funded characters all over the place complaining that their godly stuff is ass. I would've killed for that stuff before 4th job, or even before 3rd.

And don't get me started on Sharp Eyes 20... I've spent a good few levels hunting for it with no luck, and I even tried saving for it. As soon as I reached the amount for the average priced SE20, it almost doubled in price! I think I give up trying to buy anything in the bandwagoned market, although I'm grateful for the drop in price of Marksman Boost 30s. That's about it though.

leeching is stupid, train your char,learn to use your skills. no wonder 90% of the new archers cant do pomegranate.

Carlos, he's a "legit" archer without leeching. He just leeched on his bishop xD (call him a bandwagnoning bishop, it has nothing to do with bandwagoners in our class, roflmao).

And yeah, hunting SE 20 is annoying. Its a no win: Go pianus and probably get ks'd and looted of it if it drops or hunt at the almost impossible sharks.