Vicious` Hammer

For someone patient, this is awesome - all I need to do to get godly gear is wait until the rich mofos decide it's obsolete. The longer I wait, the better it gets - and I don't even have to do anything. Of course I'll never be in the top 10% of powerful players doing this, but neither will another 90% of players... and as long as I'm happy to compare with them it's fine.

Well, the problem is, the "former powerful" equipment is STILL expensive. A 15 attack work glove will be replaced by 21 attack work gloves, but I can't quite imagine 15 att dropping to a truly "reasonable" price.

In the end, the only one that profits is Nexon.

Timeless won't have that much effect on the fm for a very long time. Considering PB won't be regulated like ht or zakum for awhile. Even if it is, think about it, those are end game weapons, nearly 1bil each for a LONG time.

Maker skill is just as costly, even then most people won't bother weapons, they'll stick to investing into timeless weapons. Obsolete isn't the word, 2nd place rather. But we've known this for a long time, that these weapons were going to replace, however to regulate enough in the economy for all our current weapons to plummit(Never will happen to mages I might add) will take a long time. Also with the inflation of ores FOR the maker skill will make these '34953495 stat' equipment very unlikely. No one is going to really sell their old gear just to attempt to upgrade 3 stat of ap. It's not like how scg and bwg were introduced, they were gach/itcg which made it available to everyone. PB is available to less 10% of the population, if not less. The maker skill is overated as most Msea people will say.

As happened with Zakum and Horntail... I am guessing new hacks will come out, then hordes of hackers will hack and hack and hack Pink Bean, so the weapons will probably be quite common. So will the drama surrounding them.

Well, the problem is, the "former powerful" equipment is STILL expensive. A 15 attack work glove will be replaced by 21 attack work gloves, but I can't quite imagine 15 att dropping to a truly "reasonable" price.

In the end, the only one that profits is Nexon.



As happened with Zakum and Horntail... I am guessing new hacks will come out, then hoards of hackers will hack and hack and hack Pink Bean, so the weapons will probably be quite common. So will the drama surrounding them.

I doubt pink bean will be hacked often considering that this thing is supposedly going to be very difficult to kill. If it's getting killed 3-4 times a day I'm sure a gm will find it suspicious.

About the 'hacked items', it really depends if you buy it directly off a hacker or a shop. It's one thing when the guys standing right there, its another to come across it in the fm. Anyone who attacks another player for that is just down right ignorant period. However after the first couple dozen times we are able to kill this guy, yes hackers will possibly overrun it. However I think we can both agree that nexon has stepped up quite a bit from its natural failure, as well that we can agree it's still not enough.

Well, the problem is, the "former powerful" equipment is STILL expensive. A 15 attack work glove will be replaced by 21 attack work gloves, but I can't quite imagine 15 att dropping to a truly "reasonable" price.

It won't drop to the price of current 10 atk or anything, but it'll be less than the current 1.5-1.8billion >_> considering a 9 slot BWG only needs 8/9 scrolls to work to beat it, no 30%s at all.

I doubt pink bean will be hacked often considering that this thing is supposedly going to be very difficult to kill. If it's getting killed 3-4 times a day I'm sure a gm will find it suspicious.

About the 'hacked items', it really depends if you buy it directly off a hacker or a shop. It's one thing when the guys standing right there, its another to come across it in the fm. Anyone who attacks another player for that is just down right ignorant period. However after the first couple dozen times we are able to kill this guy, yes hackers will possibly overrun it. However I think we can both agree that nexon has stepped up quite a bit from its natural failure, as well that we can agree it's still not enough.

Until I quit I was in good standing in the high-level Khaini community. There's a lot of hypocrisy surrounding hackers, a lot of double-talk and shifting definitions, to the point where if somebody cleans out another person's account and puts his tagged equips up for sale, it's "legit" for a person to buy them even though they know it's stolen. During the period where mass duping of white scrolls happened, the general consensus was, if you can afford a perfect weapon, more power to you, even though there was almost certainty that most of that gear was not legit. The AC hack is shamelessly used by FMing mule guilds to monopolize Ch. 1 FM, nobody calls those people hackers, or maybe they do, but I don't remember hearing ACers get banned. People want high damage numbers, as long as they themselves don't get called hackers, most of them will do anything for good gear and a lot of mesos. "Hacker"/"Not Hacker" in my experience are subjective terms.

As for HT and Zak, in my time the boss staging areas were overrun by hackers, the blue "congrats" message flashed once every few hours, and all the legits on the server knew none of them had done it. Maybe ALL this has changed since I quit, but I can't imagine Nexon becoming THAT much more competent.

It won't drop to the price of current 10 atk or anything, but it'll be less than the current 1.5-1.8billion >_> considering a 9 slot BWG only needs 8/9 scrolls to work to beat it, no 30%s at all.

I bought my 15 att wg back in the day for 415 million. In an economy this inflated, 15 att gloves dropping a few hundred mil will probably be of little consolation to most people.

I bought my 15 att wg back in the day for 415 million. In an economy this inflated, 15 att gloves dropping a few hundred mil will probably be of little consolation to most people.

I'd say that's at least partially influenced by glove availability - now that TCG is dead, it's not just a matter of making a SCG and +5 it. As clean gloves become scarce prices go wild.

With every white WG and class glove being effectively a 7 slot, it's a lot easier to make a 15 atk white WG. (in comparison to 5x30%, which is about 1 in 400, 1x30% 6x60% is only 1 in 70 - and you don't even pay for the Hammers unless the first 5 work). So the prices are gonna have a corresponding drop. Maybe they'll be a bit higher due to general inflation, but I think they'll be far more reasonable.



As much as I'd love to avoid hacker items entirely, they influence the whole market, people resell, etc. I'd love for Nexon to ban them but if they don't, I'm not gonna take responsibility to investigate every equip I purchase. Shouldn't be my problem.

As for HT and Zak, in my time the boss staging areas were overrun by hackers, the blue "congrats" message flashed once every few hours, and all the legits on the server knew none of them had done it. Maybe ALL this has changed since I quit, but I can't imagine Nexon becoming THAT much more competent.

Khaini only see's that message once every two weeks now, on average. Also Khaini has a pretty hacker intolerant community. While there are a few people who openly admit to being idiots via megaphones, the rest of the community is anti-hacker. Whether it's mass reporting a known hacker or helping those who've been hacked see some sort of justice.

Of course, no matter where you are, there are always people who won't care who's being hurt for their benefit (buying hacked/stolen goods) but that's hardly a reflection of the community as a whole.

Until I quit I was in good standing in the high-level Khaini community. There's a lot of hypocrisy surrounding hackers, a lot of double-talk and shifting definitions, to the point where if somebody cleans out another person's account and puts his tagged equips up for sale, it's "legit" for a person to buy them even though they know it's stolen. During the period where mass duping of white scrolls happened, the general consensus was, if you can afford a perfect weapon, more power to you, even though there was almost certainty that most of that gear was not legit. The AC hack is shamelessly used by FMing mule guilds to monopolize Ch. 1 FM, nobody calls those people hackers, or maybe they do, but I don't remember hearing ACers get banned. People want high damage numbers, as long as they themselves don't get called hackers, most of them will do anything for good gear and a lot of mesos. "Hacker"/"Not Hacker" in my experience are subjective terms.

As for HT and Zak, in my time the boss staging areas were overrun by hackers, the blue "congrats" message flashed once every few hours, and all the legits on the server knew none of them had done it. Maybe ALL this has changed since I quit, but I can't imagine Nexon becoming THAT much more competent.



I bought my 15 att wg back in the day for 415 million. In an economy this inflated, 15 att gloves dropping a few hundred mil will probably be of little consolation to most people.

Before I respond I want to lay down that I full heartilly agree with you. I am now playing in Khaini, but I was a former Beran where the original dupe came from.

The illegits who hacked those bosses were all banned. Only a few survived and are to scared to attempt to do anything illegit because of it. And im not talking 'a week suspention' the accounts were deleted.

That's why I think your assumption is off bounds but hey time will only tell :]

Until I quit I was in good standing in the high-level Khaini community. There's a lot of hypocrisy surrounding hackers, a lot of double-talk and shifting definitions, to the point where if somebody cleans out another person's account and puts his tagged equips up for sale, it's "legit" for a person to buy them even though they know it's stolen. During the period where mass duping of white scrolls happened, the general consensus was, if you can afford a perfect weapon, more power to you, even though there was almost certainty that most of that gear was not legit. The AC hack is shamelessly used by FMing mule guilds to monopolize Ch. 1 FM, nobody calls those people hackers, or maybe they do, but I don't remember hearing ACers get banned. People want high damage numbers, as long as they themselves don't get called hackers, most of them will do anything for good gear and a lot of mesos. "Hacker"/"Not Hacker" in my experience are subjective terms.

As for HT and Zak, in my time the boss staging areas were overrun by hackers, the blue "congrats" message flashed once every few hours, and all the legits on the server knew none of them had done it. Maybe ALL this has changed since I quit, but I can't imagine Nexon becoming THAT much more competent.



I bought my 15 att wg back in the day for 415 million. In an economy this inflated, 15 att gloves dropping a few hundred mil will probably be of little consolation to most people.

Before I respond I want to lay down that I full heartilly agree with you. I am now playing in Khaini, but I was a former Beran where the original dupe came from.

The illegits who hacked those bosses were all banned. Only a few survived and are to scared to attempt to do anything illegit because of it. And im not talking 'a week suspention' the accounts were deleted.

That's why I think your assumption is off bounds but hey time will only tell :]

Ha@sara >_> Every other bf I get ksed by Yohappe. Hell even Irrisistable, who I was allied with had one of their 17x's not only ks me but attempt to kill me over the false assumption I stole his friends bf. Khaini players seem A) Impulsive to judge, B) Ignorant (note this is more of the semi leveled playing field) or C) Rather friendly. It's easy to avoid drama but it seems its a little difficult to avoid incompetent self righteous brats (Aka BAB)

Ha@sara >_> Every other bf I get ksed by Yohappe. Hell even Irrisistable, who I was allied with had one of their 17x's not only ks me but attempt to kill me over the false assumption I stole his friends bf. Khaini players seem A) Impulsive to judge, B) Ignorant (note this is more of the semi leveled playing field) or C) Rather friendly. It's easy to avoid drama but it seems its a little difficult to avoid incompetent self righteous brats (Aka BAB)

Yeah I don't know who this Yohappe person is but I've noticed people talking about them recently, and it's the first time in a while I've seen anyone get glorified for being an annoyance (RAWRitzED would be the last one. Ugh.) And yeah, but BAB aren't much of anything anymore since Nexon humiliated them by changing their name to MapleySnails.

Also I don't know what's going on with Irresistible anymore. I was in that guild for a long long long time before getting kicked out for telling some 45 year old power abuser to mind his own business but the owners (kev and suzy) wouldn't knowingly stand for their guild members being jackasses so maybe you should talk to one of them about it.