Snipe first

Personally , I think snipe is more useful than pierce . You gotta have frostprey to use piece efficiently . Just my thought from practice

i never had a problem using pierce with lv 1 frostprey, and with 1 second pierce it must be easier

Snipe really isn't a big deal when it comes to (skele) training anyway, and Piercing Arrow is usually charged while moving, so 2 -> 1 second is going to make that much of a difference in training (you'll be decimating mobs at about the same speed). It does mean we can screw up more though (don't have to start chargin' immediately when you've cleaned up a mob).

I take back what I said about the 1 sec charge Piercing Arrow not being a big deal after I tried it out the other day - I always thought Piercing Arrow was amazing even with 2 second charge at the skele map (and especially at the new skele dungeon), but holy pomegranate, 1 second charge makes it downright overpowered. It's easily spammable and I barely even use strafe anymore. It's so fast, you can easily reach a full charge on a mob, and finish off with half a charge. It also works nice in combination with snipe.

If you're going to be training, I would definitely recommend Piercing Arrow before Snipe now.

I take back what I said about the 1 sec charge Piercing Arrow not being a big deal after I tried it out the other day - I always thought Piercing Arrow was amazing even with 2 second charge at the skele map (and especially at the new skele dungeon), but holy pomegranate, 1 second charge makes it downright overpowered. It's easily spammable and I barely even use strafe anymore. It's so fast, you can easily reach a full charge on a mob, and finish off with half a charge. It also works nice in combination with snipe.

If you're going to be training, I would definitely recommend Piercing Arrow before Snipe now.

u love you big time.

seems what i said is true after all.

mmhmm, trained 8 hours on 4x with an archmage on skeles, I basically used pierce and snipe only? and my pierce is ONLY level 11, the archmage said the spawn was better than training with NL

mmhmm, trained 8 hours on 4x with an archmage on skeles, I basically used pierce and snipe only? and my pierce is ONLY level 11, the archmage said the spawn was better than training with NL

Of course it is, NLs kill slow as hell. They only hit one monster at a time.

Of course it is, NLs kill slow as hell. They only hit one monster at a time.

snipe hits 1 monster at a time, and with a cool down.

snipe hits 1 monster at a time, and with a cool down.

How does that apply to its usefulness while bossing? That's the main reason anyone would max it first, after all.

How does that apply to its usefulness while bossing? That's the main reason anyone would max it first, after all.

you said NLs kill slow as hell at skeles, i said same or worse aplies to snipe.

read your own posts, might help you keep up with the rest of us

you said NLs kill slow as hell at skeles, i said same or worse aplies to snipe.

read your own posts, might help you keep up with the rest of us

My comment about NLs had nothing to do with Snipe. You misinterpreted my post.

MMs have plenty of mob skills. NLs have one very pomegranatety one. Even without a good Pierce MMs are better at Skeles.

My comment about NLs had nothing to do with Snipe. You misinterpreted my post.

MMs have plenty of mob skills. NLs have one very pomegranatety one. Even without a good Pierce MMs are better at Skeles.

He means that you're talking about Snipe first, which attacks one monster, yet you think NL's are slow.

Anyway, NL's were MUCH faster than MM at Skeles untill these updates, I can assure you. Venom + Avenger takes the mobs down, and fj speeds up alot.

He means that you're talking about Snipe first, which attacks one monster, yet you think NL's are slow.

Anyway, NL's were MUCH faster than MM at Skeles untill these updates, I can assure you. Venom + Avenger takes the mobs down, and fj speeds up alot.

Meh, ok, I'll stop delving into areas I don't know much about then. Anyway, my friend maxed Snipe at level 133 yesterday and he's doing fine in terms of training. Can't wait to see how he does at bossing.

Avenger is not as "pomegranatety" as people make it out to be >_>

It may not be the ideal mobbing skill (especially in a 4th job setting), but it's not some joke either. -coughInfernocough-

-looks at flames in Dusk's avatar, backs away-

well, it seems like a max-snipe MM at lvl 130 levels faster then it would with other builds, but at lvl 140,150, and 160 while they are maxing pierce+SE+mastery will they level slower then they would otherwise? what is the DPS comparison between a snipe MM and a MM with the standard build at 140 and 150?

we have a MM that's level 120 and i'm wondering if this build is worth anything, with the new time temple monsters out and all. he can OHKO the last fire monster in those maps with snipe.

also, if you hold down the key while the skill is undergoing cooldown, will it fire again when cooldown ends? will you get botchecked and stop firing very quickly or only after the skill has fired 100 times?

100 snipes i think, but its cooldown still hasnt been fixed (still 9-11 seconds instead of 5)

pierce >>>> snipe

(After one-point wonders and 9 SE)

A 13x MM with Max Snipe can now output the damage of a 15x/16x -other dps class-

Discuss.

Hi vic, I finally decided to register for SP jsut cuz of this thread =P

My friend, who is actually doing this build,'s RL girlfriend / MS wife is a Bishop, so yeah, it's pretty easy for him. It's mostly for solo/duo bossing. I don't understand

This person he speaks of is me. And yes, my girlie is a bishop so 12x~13x was a breeze. Maxing snipe did not compromise my training speed, and made me a more eligable boss candidate, which allowed me to make mountains of meso off of Zakum pretty early on :3

snipe first is dumber than drinking toilette water. pierce at 1 sec charge at skele dungeon > sex.

these new marksmen that cant even use pierce and got so used to sitting at newts and sniping make me sad. only reason why snipe is better is to boss, if you go to HT at 13x go for it, otherwise get se, mastery and pierce before snipe.

I rather like my build thank you, it was loads of fun, especially MINIBOSSING with, which is something I didnt see show up in this topic...

Did you know max snipe lets me kill every snowman without delay? No one can KS me in miniboss settings.

Snipe First is extremely stupid, it's worthless until it's maxed.






(which is why I'm doing it)

HI SAGE ilu :3 Yeah, the first 13 lvls of being MM were a pain, but once it was all said and done, I felt godly compared to my peers (Well, aside from my bishop girly, but bishops will be bishops, can't really compete with her wiping out a whole screen xP.)

At what level though? I though we were talking about early 13x, which is when Snipe would be maxed. By 14x or 15x the Snipe build MM would also have a higher level SE/Boost and probably a good Pierce too.

Edit: Anyway, the people I know that are doing this build aren't doing it because it'll help them train super fast. It's mostly for bossing or god-knows-what-else (referring to Sage lol).

Snipe really boosts the motivation factor, especially early on, because it makes you feel leagues stronger... which, in essence, you are. When I set out to do the build, I realised that this build would only help me train slightly faster, but I didn't care. I guess my case is a special one, however, as I've been lucky throughoug my maple career in getting good funding and thus having good equips, and also having my girlfriend as a bishop.

Or those who want to boss early and train with a similar-leveled 4th job magician, reducing the necessity of a good mob skill and better Strafe damage to train.

Precisely ;3 Because of this, this build isn't particularly reccomended for those MM out there that are hardcore solo-ers or don't train with 4th job mages.

How in holy hell does training with a mage reduce the need for a mob skill? If anything, it should massively increase the need. Also, I'd like to know if as many people train with a mage/bishop as they would like. I personally have trained with a mage/bishop like... maybe 5 of my 32 levels in 4th job.

With my decent equip set, I've always been able to keep up with the loads of spawn the bishop has generated. I just maxed SE/Boost at lvl 150, with only 1 point into Pierce (which, I dont use yet cuz its too weak) and I do fine.

As I've already said, the person I'm referring to is married to a Bishop and they train at Newties. I dunno why you'd ever need Pierce at Newties.

Ah yeah, I forgot about that, we trained at newts till about 130 I think, which snipe >>> pierce for sure.

skele dungeon > newts, your friends need to lern2train

Actually, the reason we didn't train at skeles earlier on was cuz HiccaSqueak wasn't confident enough to train at skeles yet, and kept dying and getting upset.

Maybe he can't survive a skele hit yet.

I could survive a skele hit since 120, that wasn't the issue.

Anyways, HI SOUTHPERRY! SLEEPYWOOD CAN SUCK IT >:O

'sup Josh.

I have since maxing Sniper discovered the ultimate way to train with it. Bottom Right Newties. I Snipe the only Nest Golem that spawns down there, hitting the two normal Newties in the process with Strafe. The timing is perfect down there, it takes me exactly 1 Snipe cooldown to kill the Nest Golem, Strafe the Newties, and spawn the Nest Golem again. I never miss a beat, and Strafe never fails to hit something. Using this technique in a 3 person party with an HS mule and a Nightlord topping, I get 15% per hour under EXPlosion at level 136.

Uh what. How do you get 8.4m/hr in a 3 person party at Newties where you're all killing one platform? Unless one person isn't leeching exp or something.

Uh what. How do you get 8.4m/hr in a 3 person party at Newties where you're all killing one platform? Unless one person isn't leeching exp or something.

HS mule. *edits that in*

Oh yeah.

'sup Josh.

I have since maxing Sniper discovered the ultimate way to train with it. Bottom Right Newties. I Snipe the only Nest Golem that spawns down there, hitting the two normal Newties in the process with Strafe. The timing is perfect down there, it takes me exactly 1 Snipe cooldown to kill the Nest Golem, Strafe the Newties, and spawn the Nest Golem again. I never miss a beat, and Strafe never fails to hit something. Using this technique in a 3 person party with an HS mule and a Nightlord topping, I get 15% per hour under EXPlosion at level 136.

Yeah for sure, snipe is awesome at bottom right newts, though, I only trained there for about 2 lvls after maxing snipe before moving on to skeles.