What's causing all the inflation?

Excellent point. So then, are you upset that people are angry? Do you want to change that? If you don't care then my next point has no merit. If you do care, then I ask how you would have wanted the merchants to go about their plan with a methodology more "morally sound," per say. Would you have liked them to tell everyone, "Hey, check out the deflating prices for meso. We know the market is about to inflate, so we're going to inflate it first."? Then the information would be out there, just like Maker or global PS3 sales, but would it help? Not in this case, because what can the average GMS player do but sit and watch the market inflate; not everyone can buy out an FM of GFAs.

I definitely see where you're coming from but I'm unsure of how else they could have informed the population. Hell, it's quite logical that people would try to make money off inflation, and since several non-marketers noticed meso selling price drops weeks ago on publicly accessible websites, can't you then also argue that the information of an impending inflation was just as public?

Just trying to play the devil's advocate . You make a great point, though.



Welcome to capitalism, as I'm sure you know more than me about. But what I'm disgusted to see is how many people are giving up because of moral convictions or hopelessness due to their inability to keep up with the current rate of inflation. Fine. Go ahead and crucify yourselves like thousands did at the onset of the Great Depression in the 1930s. Choose to lose because you're so overcome with negative emotion that you won't keep trying, keep fighting, keep hoping and thinking for how to remain true to yourself and make it through the storm. There's always a way to stay true to your moral beliefs and successfully survive in any environment; it just takes more creativity over a larger length of time to figure it out.

Believe me, I hate the idea of monopoly, of middle men, of inflation for personal gain, but in a captialist system you have to accept that these are things that will always exist in a globalized marketplace.

Yet that doesn't mean you have to accept participation in this particularmarketplace.

I mentoined coming up with ideas to remain true to yourself and still successfully survive; here's one: create a micro-economy with your guild where all products and services the members of your guild have are regulated within your own economy instead of being introduced into a failing one. Don't want to do such a plan with your guild? Insert any group in place of guild then: Horntail Squad, Zakum group, legits of *insert server*, buddy list, etc. If you don't like the way something is in real life, you protest or you create something new. I'm 100% for protest as it actually works out there, but in a game completely run by Nexon, it does diddly-squat. That leaves creating something new.

Always do SOMETHING about a predicament, never nothing.

Well said. My concern however isn't so much with player driven inflation such as the Glove Attack Scroll. I'm fine with the fact that some like to play the economic side of this game. I'm much more concerned that iCollect's claim of a mesos hack is indeed true. We all know Nexon isn't the swiftest when it comes to acknowledging or fixing problems.

As an aside, some people are making the low cost of mesos attributable to the chinese law banning sales of virtual items. I think that's a red herring as I have checked several U.S. sites that also sell other in game currencies. They are also selling at the $45 per billion and as I have noted on sw.net, they are selling in transactions of up to 5 or 10 billion with 10 minute delivery times. If their supply is finite then those prices will go up as more people are tempted to buy. If however, their supply is infinite due to a dupe hack, then those prices will go lower as competition for your dollar increases. (They may also get their supply from other sources such as chinese farmes, I have no idea how they get their supply)

New players to the game are going to be turned off not being able to purchase/upgrade gear at massively inflated prices. Even with the occasional scroll from quests, etc they're not going to compete with NX buyers (who will be selling at ever increasing ratios) and mesos buyers who won't care how much things cost because they have dirt cheap access to billions.

Perhaps Nexon willl see this as an incentive to have people buy NX since it's readily converted to mesos (currently at 10:1) Maybe they won't care how much mesos is floating around.

Some things that Nexon could do if they were ever so inclined:

1. Log all trades. (if they don't already)
2. Have a Nexon employee purchase gold from each site.
3. Identify the delivery account and all trades that account has made that are over 100 mil. Particulary 1 way trades.
4. Perma ban the delivery account, temp ban the recipients and mark them as first time mesos buyers. (Yes I know, they're may be collateral damage)

Rinse and repeat.

This won't stop mesos dropping trades of course but it would be a start.

Sorry for wall of text.

No but you're the only one to brag about it.
I don't keep that level of mesos on hand generally - I put it to work helping my friends get the things they need and appreciate. Even with billions available this economy disgusts me just because it's a gigantic circle jerk of buying just to inflate further.

I either have to inflate all my products and services to compensate for everyone else's inflation, or sell at a loss out of principle because I find it ridiculous to be charging more than they realistically have a value for. So I choose to sit it out.

Yeah because asking a simple question means I am bragging about it. Mr. Eosian Parish, you are the one that brags about your "knowledge" every minute of the day.

... lol, I am not that good of a person to spend my money on others.

u should stop buying mesos with RL money (LOOOL) and lern2leech

I am a Night Lord, I make enough mesos training that I don't have the need to buy mesos or sell leech.

On topic: The only thing that Nexon can do to try to fix this situation is bring back the box event with lots more items and much better drop rate on everything.

Maple is going to pomegranate now, you might as well quit and play a new game.

No matter how hard you try to be the best, there will always be someone better.

It's all a status ****fest. Usually the people who actually have something to brag about don't go on a public forum and start talking about it.

All I am saying-

If there is a Meso Exploit out, and those people with the exploit are selling to these sites and getting real $, and the sites are making 100mil worth lunch money, what is the point of even trying to "take advantage" of the economy. There is no point in trying to make billions of mesos, when none of it will be worth pomegranate anyways. Everyone will have godly equips, no one will have anything to brag about on the forum, and then all your e-penors will eventually shrink and you will have nothing to talk about. So then Maple will die, and you will leave the game $1000 poorer from all the NX u spent.

I only started talking when someone told me my guild was mentioned in this thread. I looked at it and simply wanted to clarify some misgivings people seemed to feel towards us. ;P
Now to the "what's the point" question... the point of any game is to of course have fun. If you feel you're working in a game, you should quit the game. So I would vouch that anyone that's having fun "taking advantage" of the the economy probably has that as their point in playing this game. Speaking from my experience I can tell you that once you reach a certain point in this game, you stop caring about mesos at all and pretty much only play it for the fun of collaboration with friends and joking around in game. So, to that effect, no matter how much this game inflates, some people simply don't care as long as they can continue doing what they do and have their laughs. The point isn't always in the end product and is sometimes just the process itself. =P

As for losing real money... let's say merchants only made 15b from investing 5b, as per my previous example. Let's say they sell these mesos at current meso selling prices. Let's calculate that. $6 = 100mil $60= 1b $600=10b $1200 = 20b A merchant that has 20b would still make away with $1200 clean if he simply sold what he earned. =P

Eventually Nexon would have to do something about it, or increase the tradable meso cap, or what I said will be true, because theres only a certain max amount, and a certain amount of trust.

People will want to sell 15 attk SCG for more then 2.1, and they won't be able to because of the trade cap, unless they want to get scammed.

So basically everything I said will be true. You can only go so far.

Just a note, all godly items that exceed 2.147b are traded in two methods.
1) mesos + items that have a certain worth. i.e. 21 atk for 20atk +items/mesos
2) mts.

That being said, the apocalypse isn't quite here yet, so don't fret. =)

@ most posters in these last two pages: yay, a semi-intelligent conversation!

I only started talking when someone told me my guild was mentioned in this thread. I looked at it and simply wanted to clarify some misgivings people seemed to feel towards us. ;P
Now to the "what's the point" question... the point of any game is to of course have fun. If you feel you're working in a game, you should quit the game. So I would vouch that anyone that's having fun "taking advantage" of the the economy probably has that as their point in playing this game. Speaking from my experience I can tell you that once you reach a certain point in this game, you stop caring about mesos at all and pretty much only play it for the fun of collaboration with friends and joking around in game. So, to that effect, no matter how much this game inflates, some people simply don't care as long as they can continue doing what they do and have their laughs. The point isn't always in product and is sometimes just the process itself. =P

...And that justifies making other player's experience with this game harder?

@ most posters in these last two pages: yay, an semi-intelligent conversation!

Wow. Nice elitism. Well, at least you didn't say "lol hapy mapling!!11."

Wow. Nice elitism. Well, at least you didn't say "lol hapy mapling!!11."

Actually, he/she/it did:

*snipped*
Happy Mapling~

I'm starting to think they're into this as if it's a sexual activity or something like that.

...And that justifies making other player's experience with this game harder?

Wow. Nice elitism. Well, at least you didn't say "lol hapy mapling!!11."

I dont recall ever denying it or ever attempted to justify that particular issue. i only responded to what was said. that being said, am i doomed to be ostracized now because i enjoy reading thoughtful responses as opposed to "haha, you're wrong. i'm right! TALK TO THE HAND!!"

oh dear me, and here i thought Southperry might have been a little better than basil with criticism.

*EDIT*
my bad i forgot to say
"lol hapy mapling!!11."

Well everything is shot to hell now lol.. Hopefully it'll get better as time progresses. Dam meso buyers & merchanters buying up all the good stuff & inflating everything.. .. But what amazes me still is that people STILL are compelled to play the game :f6:

Broa: Apples 5-7mil+
White scrolls: 350mil +
60% GFA scrolls: 20mil+
chaos scrolls 130mil+

oh dear me, and here i thought Southperry might have been a little better than basil with criticism.

Still better to complain than be a sheep and sit on your asses and do nothing but accept it. Like this:

Yet More Bull

All of your "examples" are bull, for one pure and simple reason; the inflation that is happening, that you basically laid claim to causing, is 100% artificial.

If this inflation was natural, then one, it wouldnt be as high, and two, we would really have little grounds to say anything about it beyond the "this inflation sucks". But you caused this inflation. Even in a free market economy, directly causing inflation, in the real world, is actually grounds to be arrested and put on trial. All of your "pleading" about how your just trying to survive in the inflating market is a completely asinine argument, because you are basically trying to survive your own inflation, which probably wouldnt have happened as bad without your influence.


The way a free market economy, or basically any economy works, is based of Land Labor and Capital. Land=FM spots, Labor=hunting/merchanting, Capitol=investment. Its all a balancing act, and too much of one can drastically change the market overall. We have too much Capital...

He never laid claim to the cause of the inflation. Where did you read that from?

Also, iCollect, you might want to be careful. Forum bashing is looked down upon here. We do not bash Basil or any other forum.

Still better to complain than be a sheep and sit on your asses and do nothing but accept it. Like this:

i'm just saying, it's perfectly fine having a good discussion with opposing viewpoints, but there's really no need to throw insults around for no other purpose than feeding egos. =P

also, in respect to that previous "sexual" remark...

HOW DID YOU KNOW, JUDGEMENT?!?! damn, i was keeping it a secret too! T_T

He never laid claim to the cause of the inflation. Where did you read that from?

I, along with a few friends and other merchants, effectively bought out the entire FM of GFA in ALL servers. This is not impossible when you're rolling in tens to hundreds of billions of mesos in pure in each server (all legit, I assure you).

We then gradually increased the price in all servers from what was 6m 3 days ago to the current 20m now. How is that possible? Why would anyone buy? 3 groups of people would buy them: people that need to scroll, people that want to resell for more during inflation, and the people that are converting it directly into nx.

Seemed like it to me

HOW DID YOU KNOW, JUDGEMENT?!?! damn, i was keeping it a secret too! T_T

Well, with all of the sexual remarks that fly around in MS (Suggestive Smegas, NX wh0res ever congregating at places like Maya's house, not to mention the odd cyber request), I would think people would get hard from making other's people's experiences in this game a living hell. *cough* Excellent did too *cough*

Yeah, don't really expect people to be quiet about it, especially when you admitted to being the culprit.

All of your "examples" are bull, for one pure and simple reason; the inflation that is happening, that you basically laid claim to causing, is 100% artificial.

If this inflation was natural, then one, it wouldnt be as high, and two, we would really have little grounds to say anything about it beyond the "this inflation sucks". But you caused this inflation. Even in a free market economy, directly causing inflation, in the real world, is actually grounds to be arrested and put on trial. All of your "pleading" about how your just trying to survive in the inflating market is a completely asinine argument, because you are basically trying to survive your own inflation, which probably wouldnt have happened as bad without your influence.


The way a free market economy, or basically any economy works, is based of Land Labor and Capital. Land=FM spots, Labor=hunting/merchanting, Capitol=investment. Its all a balancing act, and too much of one can drastically change the market overall. We have too much Capital...

Please read the fine print again and consider what you're saying. I think you might have misunderstood something i said prior.

@ Fiel: I do apologize, Fiel. I was merely referring to the herb basil and the umm... rash responses i get from talking to the aforementioned vegetable! it's not easy having a discussion with a veggie, you know! Golly, the only thing worse would be marrying the ocean (i wonder how many ppl will get this reference!)

I made this account for the purpose of posting in this thread, so I'm not yet familiar with Southperry's forum rules. That being said, it was only a littttttle bit of indirect bashing, and quite obscure at that!

Wow, you guys all seem depressed.

I'm gonna go sell a years worth of stockpiled scrolls for 10x+ their purchase price.

And I think there really must be some kind of meso hack going on. Because...
foreign & US companies are selling for the same price
it's happening accross all servers
mts value is not inflating with it (only slightly to account for those who buy with nx & sell to make mesos)
meso sellers are plumeting the price and not running out of mesos
I don't see tones (or any) meso botters and haven't seen any for a long time

Seemed like it to me

Fine example of things being taken out of context. I applaud you! Please read what I said in its entirety and glue bits and pieces together to see the bigger picture that I'm not so inconspicuously alluding to!

Well, with all of the sexual remarks that fly around in MS (Suggestive Smegas, NX wh0res ever congregating at places like Maya's house, not to mention the odd cyber request), I would think people would get hard from making other's people's experiences in this game a living hell. *cough* Excellent did too *cough*

Yeah, don't really expect people to be quiet about it, especially when you admitted to being the culprit.

Don't bash Maya. She's pure sex. Even if she has AIDS. Wait...

And yo, I'm not a bad person if you get to know me, haha. XD

All of your "examples" are bull, for one pure and simple reason; the inflation that is happening, that you basically laid claim to causing, is 100% artificial.

*1 If this inflation was natural, then one, it wouldnt be as high, and two, we would really have little grounds to say anything about it beyond the "this inflation sucks". But you caused this inflation. *2 Even in a free market economy, directly causing inflation, in the real world, is actually grounds to be arrested and put on trial. All of your "pleading" about how your just trying to survive in the inflating market is a completely asinine argument, because you are *3 basically trying to survive your own inflation, which probably wouldnt have happened as bad without your influence.


The way a free market economy, or basically any economy works, is based of Land Labor and Capital. Land=FM spots, Labor=hunting/merchanting, Capitol=investment. Its all a balancing act, and too much of one can drastically change the market overall. We have too much Capital...

1. How is inflation ever "natural"?
2. What law in the real world are you referring to that says causing inflation is illegal?
3. why oh why would you say that? He's bought out the FM at 5 mil and is now selling at 20 mil. No need to survive if he's making a good profit. The real danger is hyperinflation due to duped gold/items.

BTW, your free market economy example of land labor and capital is based on physical scarcity. In game economies are not always restricted in that way, particularly when events such as gold/item duping occur. (Try duping a piece of land or cloning a factory worker)

@iCollect: If at all possible, could you elaborate on any details as to what you've heard/know about this alleged duping. No offense but we @ sleepywood don't really know you and we're curious (at least I am)

. No offense but we @ sleepywood don't really know you and we're curious (at least I am)

did u really jus do that? -_-

1. How is inflation ever "natural"?

Any time Mesos aren't being removed from the game at a rate reasonably close to the rate they're being found, you see natural inflation. I.e. when NLC first came out and the average player's pot costs plummeted while the amount they found while training remained about the same, prices went up a bit. Obviously nothing like we see here, but natural inflation exists.

Unless you wanna get picky and argue the semantics of a currency not backed by something like a gold standard being artificial in its entirety.

Any time Mesos aren't being removed from the game at a rate reasonably close to the rate they're being found, you see natural inflation. I.e. when NLC first came out and the average player's pot costs plummeted while the amount they found while training remained about the same, prices went up a bit. Obviously nothing like we see here, but natural inflation exists.

Unless you wanna get picky and argue the semantics of a currency not backed by something like a gold standard being artificial in its entirety.

The term natural inflation itself is a contradiction. Inflation is never natural and always caused by human actions. Your examples are also of human interactions. If you're referring to the prevailing trend of inflation in most economies over a period of time then that's simply the natural RATE of inflation, not inflation itself. =) Unless we do a complete 180 and go with inflation caused by natural disasters... but that point is completely moot in this particular discussion. =P

1. How is inflation ever "natural"?
2. What law in the real world are you referring to that says causing inflation is illegal?
3. why oh why would you say that? He's bought out the FM at 5 mil and is now selling at 20 mil. No need to survive if he's making a good profit. The real danger is hyperinflation due to duped gold/items.

BTW, your free market economy example of land labor and capital is based on physical scarcity. In game economies are not always restricted in that way, particularly when events such as gold/item duping occur. (Try duping a piece of land or cloning a factory worker)

@iCollect: If at all possible, could you elaborate on any details as to what you've heard/know about this alleged duping. No offense but we @ sleepywood don't really know you and we're curious (at least I am)

2) the law that would put the government along with the central bank and all related financial institutions on trial for causing inflation due to their use of monetary or fiscal policies, of course. *cough*

3) i hope you guys realized that meso costs for the past three days have been as follows:
100m = $5.99 morning
100m = $5.29 afternoon
100m = $4.79 morning
100m = $4.59 afternoon
100m = $4.45 morning
100m = dunno yet!
uh oh, spaghettio!

and um... i'm just some random fm nub... not like every major fm 1 in most servers knows me or anything...
as for the hack...packet manipulation =(