Energy Orb

While I was hanging out with Loose this evening, I asked him to show me his Energy Orb damage to figure out the exact mob reduction. During this, I noticed two things.

First off, the mob reduction appears to be between 0.6~0.7
Seeing his Orb minimum be 5676, I noted a 3687. Damage reduction would put his Orb minimum to be 5526 at the weakest against a Captain. Thusly, 3687 / 5526 = 0.66720955483170466883821932681868
Or approximately 0.67. Current estimation is this 0.67 modifier each successive mob;
Calculated from a damage range of
1229~2180
With DEF Reduction from min~max of
150~95;
First Orb: 3567~6445
Second Orb
(0.70 mod): 2430.9~4483
(0.65 mod): 2246.55~4156
(0.60 mod): 2062.2~3829
Two visible 4ks were hit, thusly guaranteed that it's within experimental range (will get into detail as to why this is important in a bit). As you can see, with a 0.60 modifier, that would not be possible. Thus, we've guaranteed that it has improved from the assumed 0.5 modifier like Chain Lightning had.
Thusly, Level 1 Does 300% + 200%
Level 30 does 900% + 600% + 400%, etc.

After continual testing, there appears to be a reduction of 2/3, noting a
4319 on a second hit. 2308~4360 being the possible range in this scenario.

The second interesting thing we would like to note from our findings is the Phantom Orb. Much like the Phantom Arrow of Arrow Rain and Eruption, what the user sees as his orbs shoot out is not necessarily what occurs.
It's not the easiest thing to screenshot, but here is an example. It's much more noteworthy when seen in person.

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As you can see, the monster in front is taking 4816. The monster above is taking 9478. Not normal right? Despite Loose targeting the monster taking 4816, and seeing it attack that one first, I noted on my screen that the Orb flies out from Loose and into the monster above him first to do 9478, then bounces onto the 4816. Most likely, this is based on spawn order, and would be quite the fireworks show with higher mob hits.
This leads to misleading results when observing your own damage, and why noting two 4ks earlier was important to rule out it being a possible first orb striking in a different order.

My stats with Energy (using a Maple Storm Finger I found there), Orb does damage, Orb bounces up, Orb bounces down.

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Note: 1st and 2nd screenshot are with the Maple Storm Finger, 3rd and 4th screenshot are with my King Cent.

Heh, I get that 'phantom orb' a lot as well. It's weird when it happens, but it's obvious what's occuring.

Most likely, this is based on spawn order, and would be quite the fireworks show with higher mob hits..

Here's how I think it works, I'm 90% sure it does this. The Captain that received the second hit was in motion, so I moved it to the place it was when I activated Energy Orb, simply to explain it better.

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This is the area I can hit with Energy Orb. As you can see, the damaged Kru is in the area, it's also the nearest.


This is the area the Orb will hit after bouncing off the damaged Kru. The Captain is barely inside this range.


This is the path that the Orb draws (not the ball graphic). I assume this is the way it finds out which monsters it will damage.


After figuring out which monsters it will damage, the skill applies the highest damage to the nearest one to the player (Captain), then the 2nd nearest, etc.

This leads to misleading results when observing your own damage, and why noting two 4ks earlier was important to rule out it being a possible first orb striking in a different order.

Hilarious. "Oh damn! Second did 9k!!! What the hell!?"

Seems like it has way more vertical range than i thought.

The bounce range is sometimes incredible, but, unfortunately, your initial range is a bit too crappy.

Still, I'm eager to see this thing bounce off 5 monsters. : D

I'm pretty sure the initial range is like a Keen Eye-less Assassin or the Normal Attack from a Gunslinger.

Checked the Pirate Skills Table thread, 80% sure it's the same range as maxed Screw.

Checked the Pirate Skills Table thread, 80% sure it's the same range as maxed Screw.

Just wondering, how is your build going to be?

Just wondering, how is your build going to be?

Level 120: +1 Speed Infusion, +1 Dragon Strike, +1 Energy Orb
Level 121: +2 Dragon Strike (3), +1 Barrage
Level 12x: +8 Dragon Strike (11)
Level 12x: +29 Energy Orb (Max)
Level 13x: +19 Dragon Strike (Max)
Level 1xx: +20 Barrage (21)
Level 1xx: +10 Speed Infusion (11)
Level 1xx: +9 Barrage (Max)

Then I don't know.

hey loose can you tell me how much faster orb is than DS, and it's delay if it has one? just curious to see when orb is better than DS

Level 120: +1 Speed Infusion, +1 Dragon Strike, +1 Energy Orb
Level 121: +2 Dragon Strike (3), +1 Barrage
Level 12x: +8 Dragon Strike (11)
Level 12x: +29 Energy Orb (Max)
Level 13x: +19 Dragon Strike (Max)
Level 1xx: +20 Barrage (21)
Level 1xx: +10 Speed Infusion (11)
Level 1xx: +9 Barrage (Max)

Then I don't know.

Demolition, brah.

**** kicks ass.

Orb is around 1 second cast, I believe.

i think i am wrong because the numbers seem way too high but
(this is all in milliseconds,@the speed of faster(2))
in the same time as DS's animation orb does 5934.677 dmg at max
900+600+400+264+174+115=2453%
DS's one cast>2250ms, orb's one cast>930ms
2250/930=2.419
2.419*2453=5934.667%in one DS cast
DS's delay @ fast(2)>1080ms
1080/930=1.161
1.161*2453=2848.645%+5934.677%=8783.332%in one DS cast+it's delay
clearly orb is the way to go if this is right and if it hits 6 monsters
credits go to LazyBui for speeds

Or you could, you know, use an Energy Orb after a Dragon Strike.

Also, don't get confused by LazyBui's terminology. 2250ms is the time before you can use Dragon Strike again. The actual cast time is 1080.

Also, don't get confused by LazyBui's terminology. 2250ms is the time before you can use Dragon Strike again. The actual cast time is 1080.

it would still have the same outcome (2250+1080)/930*2453=8783.322%<still alot more than DS's 810*6=4860%

and Joe dragon dancing is a lot easier with a spammable move, you can cast orb 3times and still have time to charge some of your cork while being invincible

Also, don't get confused by LazyBui's terminology. 2250ms is the time before you can use Dragon Strike again. The actual cast time is 1080.

It's way less than 2.25 seconds now. I can immediately follow up a Dragon Strike after a CSB and repeat that indefinitely. 1.25 second-1.5 second cooldown now?

It's way less than 2.25 seconds now. I can immediately follow up a Dragon Strike after a CSB and repeat that indefinitely. 1.25 second-1.5 second cooldown now?

(1500+1080)/930*2453=6805.096%
(1250+1080)/930*2453=6145.688%
i would still get DS to 21 at least, because there's the issue of range and availability, in which case DS is better because its range is huge and and it can charge up energy faster than SSK, with time temple/CGs it is just more useful to use SSK though, because it will be only used to charge up at that point and let you max more useful skills rather than focusing on 21DS then 30 orb

it would still have the same outcome (2250+1080)/930*2453=8783.322%<still alot more than DS's 810*6=4860%

and Joe dragon dancing is a lot easier with a spammable move, you can cast orb 3times and still have time to charge some of your cork while being invincible

No no, it wouldn't be 2250 + 1080. If you're just using DS and waiting in between, it's 2250 per DS.