Lloyd Korn shuts down MapleStory hackers.

That's simply how copyright infringement claims happen on the internet.
1) ask ISP to take down offending website
2) ISP tells site owners to remove inappropriate contents, and in the meantime takes it down
3) Site goes back up when it's ready


The quicker they get rid of the MS stuff, the quicker it'll be available for whatever other stuff it's used for.







Oh, and considering Nexon sells mesos it's extremely easy to point to how meso selling websites hurt their business. Plus when people get scammed they can only blame Nexon, and it just causes more trouble... The best way to deal with it would be to figure out what characters the sellers are using and ban them (maybe look at characters who commit high-volume meso trades or sending Duey packages, and never train)

Most of the Chinese Farm sites are in .... China. Even their ISP's. Nexon cant shut them down. Blizzard has been trying for years to get them to go away, it just drove the large sites like IGE to china for protection.

Even botting is hard to stop. Blizzard finally got the one american World of Warcraft Bot shut down. But the other non american bots are still running strong.

The best way to deal with it would be to figure out what characters the sellers are using and ban them (maybe look at characters who commit high-volume meso trades or sending Duey packages, and never train)

That would ban THOUSANDS of merchants in the fm. Most good mesos selling sites dont send via duey anymore.

how do they deliver the mesos then?

I don't think anything short of a SWAT raid of the meso-farmers will stop it.

how do they deliver the mesos then?

Simple. You open a shop and sell a very common item, usually an "etc" item for 4,999,999 mesos and they buy it in the amount you paid for.
Or they trade you if you don't have a shop.
4,999,999 each trade, and some make up for taxes.

This is security by obscurity.

There has better be diligent soldiers behind this. Otherwise, shutting down CEF is just like disabling 1 form of communication. There're many shapes and forms. Those who release hacks will still release them, and those who want them will still find them. They just simply dont "get their newspapers delivered to their door" anymore.

The internet is not real life. It never will be. There are some things you can control and some you can't. It's like he said, this is a situation in which once something is made once, it can be instantly duplicated, making it infinitely harder to control.

.....Wow, I'll have to try and anwser the rest of your post once i'm done laughing. This could take a while. Infact, drop the could, I might not be able to reply for the rest of the week.

The internet isn't part of real life ? genius...

Everyone keeps saying that CEF and hacks are done. That is not true.

I did some further research on this, and it turns out that the owner of CEF, Dark Byte, put up the free forum as a temporary thing while he finds a new host. He is finding a new host for CEF in another country that does not have the DMCA laws.

Lloyd Korn attacked CEF by threatening the host, which make the hoster panic and stop hosting for Dark Byte.

I do not believe that hacks and this hacking website are done for good. I think that it is only a matter of time until Dark Byte finds a new host in another country that doesn't have the DMCA laws.

I am personally neutral when it comes to private server and hacks. Yes hackers can be annoying, but quite honestly, they have a big affect on the economy in-game. Without them, prices would rise like crazy because people would not be getting nearly as many items and such to sell. Private servers affect me in no way so I really do not care about them.

In conclusion, this letter is pretty much not going to stop hacking, or even CEF. Dark Byte apparently has a backup of everything from the website, so once he gets his new host, he will put everything back just the way it was.
Just wanted to point out some facts.

I am personally neutral when it comes to private server and hacks. Yes hackers can be annoying, but quite honestly, they have a big affect on the economy in-game. Without them, prices would rise like crazy because people would not be getting nearly as many items and such to sell. Private servers affect me in no way so I really do not care about them.

HT hackers are the reason why i can buy myself a berserk 30 book without wasting all my mesos. i bet no one wants to go back to the times when gene30 was +500m (except for those who already got it, ofcourse).

HT hackers are the reason why i can buy myself a berserk 30 book without wasting all my mesos. i bet no one wants to go back to the times when gene30 was +500m (except for those who already got it, ofcourse).

Ohai haha01haha01. I remember you. From elsewhere.

But you'ore exactly right.
Hackers caused prices to go way down, and thus made life for maplers easier. Most people only think of hackers are the annoying people who steal channels and stuff, but that's not all they do. They also help out the game tremendously in the ways that people don't usually think about.-

I am personally neutral when it comes to private server and hacks. Yes hackers can be annoying, but quite honestly, they have a big affect on the economy in-game. Without them, prices would rise like crazy because people would not be getting nearly as many items and such to sell. Private servers affect me in no way so I really do not care about them.

Someone obviously wasn't around when hackers were really and truely widespread and they were all paying anything for any item they wanted and were causing inflation that was spirialing out of control.

Someone obviously wasn't around when hackers were really and truely widespread and they were all paying anything for any item they wanted and were causing inflation that was spirialing out of control.

You're right, but how long ago was that? Like 2 years, at the least. Back when you could bot for days on end without any interruption, before all the "good" hacks were patched, before hacking was a "problem" because hackers only did so on the most elusive maps, excluding a few morons who thought they were cute.

There's a lot more idiots now then there used to be. It only seemed populous then because there was dramatically less players in general.

Heh, that was before CEF really even hit it off and became get-all place for anybody who wanted MapleStory hacks and whose best friend was Google. .

EDIT: Yeah, that was like, what, Beta/Months-post-Beta? That was when stuff was still dirt cheap because no one had mesos and hacking was actually really profitable in comparison to how it is now.

You're right, but how long ago was that? Like 2 years, at the least. Back when you could bot for days on end without any interruption, before all the "good" hacks were patched, before hacking was a "problem" because hackers only did so on the most elusive maps, excluding a few morons who thought they were cute.

Urm, ok? But he said he thought hacking caused deflation, which past events suggest overwise, so I gave my thoughts on that.:f6:

EDIT: Yeah, that was like, what, Beta/2-weeks-post-Beta? That was when stuff was still dirt cheap because no one had mesos and hacking was actually really profitable in comparison to how it is now.

Nah, it was later than that, for one thing, I remeber it happening, and I didn't play for a good while after the Beta finished.

Urm, ok? But he said he thought hacking caused deflation, which past events suggest overwise, so I gave my thoughts on that.:f6:

Yes, and I'm agreeing with you.

Nah, it was later than that, for one thing, I remeber it happening, and I didn't play for a good while after the Beta finished.

6 months to a year at the most. I didn't play/hack that whole year, so I wouldn't know, but I know it hasn't been like that in awhile, except for maybe a few instances with certain items. (I edited my post to say months, but kinda late).

_Shock_. (Not really).

Did someone happen to screenshot that nexonkiller notice..? They already changed their website..

Urm, ok? But he said he thought hacking caused deflation, which past events suggest overwise, so I gave my thoughts on that.:f6:

I'm talking about now-a-days. Yeah way way back in the past, hackers did cause inflation. I'll agree with you there.

However now, the economy is what it is. Have you not noticed the dramatic deflation that took place over the last few months? That is the result of hackers. Without them, the prices would inflate TREMENDOUSLY. I remember a few years ago Ilbis were 22mil. Then they went down to about 16. Then 11. That was all over the course of a year or 2. Then within a few WEEKS, they went down from 11mil to like 5mil. (All of this is based in Khaini).

In short, hackers have done good and bad to the economy, but right now, if hacks were to be gone forever, say goodbye to your mesos. Because you'll have to spend a lot to buy throwing stars, level 110 items, ETC.

The music industry is being hurt badly by the free distribution of music.
Yes, the internet damages the profit of newspapers. But it's okay. They adapted to follow suit. Yes, the internet damages profits for record companies. What do you think Pirate Bay was down for? They had to move ISPs and their servers because their former server got shut down. Is the music industry then suppressing freedom of "speech" as you put it?

In fact the ISP wasn't even sued in this case, they were told that CEF was performing illegal acts and took down the site in order to prevent legal action that could affect them. .

The 'recording industry' not the music industry is hurt because their monopoly on the distribution of plastic discs is becoming obsolete.

Say it with me now. Recording industry != music industry.

Oh and music artists do not need the recording industry as much as people think either. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2009042...4566.shtml


And the internet isn't causing damage to newspapers, the distribution of news is just no longer controlled by them.

BTW, the piratebay is more of a specialized version of google to find torrents. You can do exactly the same thing with google if you know how to use it.

As such and the fact that the judge was on the same copyright reforms comittees as the prosecution members will lead to a mistrial/re-trial.

ON TOPIC:

LLoyd is just doing his job of sending nastygrams to anyone he feels may pose a threat to Nexon's business. The way it is supposed to work is for him to identify the infringing material and request it to be removed from the offending site. Hacking instructions and private server instructions are not in any way an infringement of copyright. (Did you see any such things published by Nexon?) Any violation of the ToS with Nexon is irrelevant to the DMCA process.

This isn't the first or the last time a company has abused the DMCA takedown process to get what they want when they should have gone the proper legal (and more costly) way.

I find this arguement that Nexon isn't within their rights to do what they are doing humorous. Maybe the challenges would hold up in court, maybe they wouldn't, but what is wrong with trying? It is blatantly obvious that the other side is causing harm to not only Nexon, but us as players. We should be thankful Nexon is taking out the stops to stop this.

When you get on a gun and step on the battlefield don't be surprised when the other side starts shooting at you. These hackers have gone to war with Nexon and now Nexon is returning fire. You may not like it, but that is the way it is.

After repeatedly being KS'ed by hackers at Big Foot, Anego, and Headless Horseman I have absolutely no remorse for hackers and the people/sites/institutions that make or promote them. Hackers are bad for the game. We don't want them. We aren't sorry for them or the sites that promote them. We are glad Nexon is playing hardball.

On the arguement that "Nexon should improve their game" to shut down private servers. That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have heard. Nexon is improving there game, but no matter how much they improved it Private Servers would exist as long as they were allowed too regardless of the quality of Nexon's product. Private Servers exist because players want to altar the game experience. They want to take the short cut to getting to 200. I don't have a problem with private servers and player continued environments after the game has been discontinued and abandoned. As long as the company is still servicing the game allowing PS to exist simply is a cancer taking away from the game.

Regarding the economy. Like most games Maple Story has milestones. It used to be something special if you had Ilbis in your inventory. You worked hard at it, it was a goal, people looked at you as a pro if you threw Ilbis. Now they are just another star. It used to be special if you had Maple Warrior 20. It was expensive and hard to get. Now thanks to hackers instead of being a goal to work towards tons of people have Maple Warrior 20. One of the few items that I can think of that is still somewhat exclusive is the lvl 90 dexless claw Why dont we just all start out at lvl 200 with perfect equips? Thats what hackers grativate the game towards. Something for nothing, and something for nothing is dumb. I had a bunch of friends that glitched from lvl 51 to lvl 71 with Orbis PQ. Guess what lvl they are right now a couple years later? Yup, 71. They got something for nothing and it made the game boring.

Regarding the economy. Like most games Maple Story has milestones. It used to be something special if you had Ilbis in your inventory. You worked hard at it, it was a goal, people looked at you as a pro if you threw Ilbis. Now they are just another star. It used to be special if you had Maple Warrior 20. It was expensive and hard to get. Now thanks to hackers instead of being a goal to work towards tons of people have Maple Warrior 20. One of the few items that I can think of that is still somewhat exclusive is the lvl 90 dexless claw Why dont we just all start out at lvl 200 with perfect equips? Thats what hackers grativate the game towards. Something for nothing, and something for nothing is dumb. I had a bunch of friends that glitched from lvl 51 to lvl 71 with Orbis PQ. Guess what lvl they are right now a couple years later? Yup, 71. They got something for nothing and it made the game boring.

Illbis would have deflated naturally anyway due to more monsters being released that drop it.

MW 20 deflated mostly because of box events, not hackers. Though a combination of the two, MW 20 was not solely because of hackers.

Illbis would have deflated naturally anyway due to more monsters being released that drop it.

MW 20 deflated mostly because of box events, not hackers. Though a combination of the two, MW 20 was not solely because of hackers.

Ilbis deflated a bit when Wolf Spiders came out, but they certainly didn't drop to 5 mil. As people make new characters more demand for an items is created and a stable price is developed. When you have every wolf spider channel full of haxxors every day and haxxor stores showing up in fm with tons and tons of ilbi then the market is going to become saturated and that is when you will see massive deflation of ilbis. I even bought an ilbi for 3 mil the other day.

I have a suspicion that Nexon released some of the Horn Tail drops in the boxes to combat the haxxors, making their HT runs less profitable. I forget what the MW20 price had dropped to before the Gold Box event started, but it was considerably cheaper than pre hacker times. The Gold Box event did complete the trashing of the MW20 price though.

The hacking epidemic started with the release of Zakum (May 2006) via the Zakum Jump quest, in Broa at least. It continued for at least 18 months before Nexon began patching hacks.

But you'ore exactly right.
Hackers caused prices to go way down, and thus made life for maplers easier. Most people only think of hackers are the annoying people who steal channels and stuff, but that's not all they do. They also help out the game tremendously in the ways that people don't usually think about.-

Yeah, you're right. Ignoring the stealing players' maps, and releasing WZ editors that are specifically designed with harassing legitimate players in mind totally is acceptable because they deflated the only way to make a profit off of HT.

Actually, I'd like you to list some of the ways hackers "help out the game." The only one is really they rapidly deflate the value of meso, which, in turn, makes training easier.

However now, the economy is what it is. Have you not noticed the dramatic deflation that took place over the last few months? That is the result of hackers. Without them, the prices would inflate TREMENDOUSLY. I remember a few years ago Ilbis were 22mil. Then they went down to about 16. Then 11. That was all over the course of a year or 2. Then within a few WEEKS, they went down from 11mil to like 5mil. (All of this is based in Khaini).

I remember a time when ilbis were 40m and 50m. When NLC was released, they shot down to about 25m. People finding more of them, in addition to the monster in Leafre dropping them, caused deflation. Not hackers. People who were hoarding them (mostly hackers, and maybe merchants) then started to sell them after realizing that they weren't going to be worth much ever again.

In short, hackers have done good and bad to the economy, but right now, if hacks were to be gone forever, say goodbye to your mesos. Because you'll have to spend a lot to buy throwing stars, level 110 items, ETC

Not at all. Throwing stars would NEVER inflate to what they were before, unless hackers hoarded them. Nobody buys 110 items, except for warriors really. The alternatives are better, and 120 items trump 110 by a long shot. By "ETC" I assume you mean Gene 30 (and TT 30), which did deflate due to massive hacking. However, Gacha box event deflated it far more than hackers did.

The only good thing hackers have done for this game is post information online so we can figure out how game mechanics work. I've played since Nov '05, so I missed Beta. However, beta is irrelevant basically.