Harrisonized Wrote:No, because that's game breaking, and this is not.
Apparently everyone sees things in black and white nowadays.
I can kinda see saying that for chair-jumping (or getting on and off a lot and getting your chair stuck showing while you're standing) since it literally has no effect on the game.
But 97% clean slate scrolls? That is a game breaker. They work almost 30 times as much as they're supposed to. There's a reason the highest percent is 20%, and it has a 40% chance to break.
Harrisonized Wrote:No, because that's game breaking, and this is not.
Apparently everyone sees things in black and white nowadays.
So because it isnt a hack, we can use it freely? Did you forget that Nexon determines what is considered a glitch? They have banned people for offenses more trivial than this, and they dont always do it right. Who are you to determine this isnt game breaking? Who are you to throw out random figures and argue with everyone who isnt seeing your point?
I suggest you should let it rest and just leave it to Nexon. Fight all you want, Nexon makes the call at the end of the day. They did with the bigfoot glitch. It was their own fault, they screwed up, people took advantage of it, they announced and banned people (even tho some never even fought with bigfoot).
According to Nexon, a glitch can be an "unintended feature", and certainly, this doesnt look like it is intended from many posters here. They have the same weight as your argument. You said it is intended until Nexon said otherwise, and other said it is NOT intended, but they just didnt know about it. We programmers call that a "bug". So quit putting others down as if they're wrong, because they're not, their opinion and your is equal in weight regarding this situation, and Nexon is gravity.
Quote:A HSer can just hang on a rope and use put HS on a macro with a rock on their button. If a hack does the same thing, auto-HSing is still =/= hacking.
Harrisonized Wrote:Ok, I agree with the logic of that post. Don't pull things out of context.
Oh, fail, you thought he was talking about Devil's Sunrise, who is a completely different person. Devil has not posted in this thread.
I just reread that thread about Bigfoot. In both threads, you insist that the glitch is not a problem, and look for the roundabout way of fixing problems with this game...
GummyBear Wrote:Side note: God dam the Jr Rog backpack on leve 136.....
That's a pet. o_O
Chances are, this IS a (bannable) glitch. Even though the benefit is "negligible" (4xx million for a few stat points might not SEEM like a game breaker to you, but consider how important attack and such is to damage, and how far most MS players will go to get that extra attack), if it does turn out to be a glitch, there could be any number of consequences associated with it (from wiping individual items from certain characters to a mass rollback), and the resulting "compensation" (mass 2x, meso/item compensation, etc) which Nexon will probably "forget" to give us, which would just cause a ton of pomegranate, etc.
./rambling
But yeah, wouldn't this also promote duping (if it really has returned)? If a duper gets their hands on a white scroll and clean slate, we can kiss our economy goodbye.
Quote:@Thunda, though it's not a hack, it's technically just as bad. Thus, the reason why it is bannable.
Yes, agreed. I was just pointing out that what Harrisonized implied was not true: (what I got from his statement is that putting a rock on HS was not bannable)
Thunda Wrote:Yes, agreed. I was just pointing out that what Harrisonized implied was not true: (what I got from his statement is that putting a rock on HS was not bannable)
Yeah, lol sorry if that came out wrong. I was trying to agree with you so okay? XD
Yes, I am well aware that it's a pet. Most pets hugs onto you whereas Jr Rog watches your back, but yeah, random site note. Having it watching your back while climbing ladder is quite nifty. All we need now is to goggle it.
PS: It didnt look as tho you were addressing me with the other points.
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:Like Avenge said, he said misted TO 13x, not misted THROUGH 13x. Totally different.
I'm not even going to bother.
Dusk Wrote:Oh, fail, you thought he was talking about Devil's Sunrise, who is a completely different person. Devil has not posted in this thread.
I wrote that I agreed with "Devil's" post, in which I was referring to Devil's Sunrise.
I don't know why Felix found it funny to put it in his signature.
Dusk Wrote:I just reread that thread about Bigfoot. In both threads, you insist that the glitch is not a problem, and look for the roundabout way of fixing problems with this game...
The reason I argue that position is that I don't believe Nexon should throw the bait out there, then turn around and backstab you.
Thunda Wrote:Yes, agreed. I was just pointing out that what Harrisonized implied was not true: (what I got from his statement is that putting a rock on HS was not bannable)
No. I didn't say it wasn't bannable. I said it's not the same thing.
This thread is pissing me off and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The same things are being repeated over and over again... If you want to clean slate something with a white scroll, go ahead and do it, I'm sure you won't be banished from your server or something. Glitch or not, shut the pineapple up and wait for Nexon to do/say something about it. Until then, nothing anybody says here is right. I know it's hard to accept, but you're all wrong
jikos Wrote: This thread is pissing me off and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The same things are being repeated over and over again... If you want to clean slate something with a white scroll, go ahead and do it, I'm sure you won't be banished from your server or something. Glitch or not, shut the pineapple up and wait for Nexon to do/say something about it. Until then, nothing anybody says here is right. I know it's hard to accept, but you're all wrong
jikos Wrote: This thread is pissing me off and I'm sure I'm not the only one. The same things are being repeated over and over again... If you want to clean slate something with a white scroll, go ahead and do it, I'm sure you won't be banished from your server or something. Glitch or not, shut the pineapple up and wait for Nexon to do/say something about it. Until then, nothing anybody says here is right. I know it's hard to accept, but you're all wrong
Oh this thread is pissing you off? That's funny. Your fake 68 att 3 slot Casters thread pissed me and many others off. Lol @ making fake threads to make yourself seem rich. On-topic: I don't like this glitch or whatever it is. Duping pretty much ruined damage competition.. And now this will make it even worse.
You know, there's a faster way of checking whether or not you're supposed to be able to have that many slots.
Anyone who has a clean slate scroll try using it on a +6 (or +9 YAC) cape and see if there is a retroactive effect. Since Clean Slate scrolls are scroll blocked when a cape is +5 (or +8 for YACs), then using it on a +6 cape should either be scroll blocked or reduce it back to a +5.
If the scroll is scroll blocked or there are such retroactive effects, then the extra slot was not meant to be.
2009-02-27, 12:17 AM (This post was last modified: 2009-02-27, 12:22 AM by Thunda.)
Quote:No. I didn't say it wasn't bannable. I said it's not the same thing.
What else would people read from "Auto HS is not hacks"? "Wow, it's just botting, it's not hacking... calm down everyone!"
Quote:The reason I argue that position is that I don't believe Nexon should throw the bait out there, then turn around and backstab you.
"Using" the toenail trick was legitimate. Smuggling was intended. Storage OPQ was intended so that you could only do less than 15% of the PQ for more than the experience gained by regularly OPQing. Bigfoot was intended to be mistable for you to gain levels, a few millions in 40 seconds. Each and every one of these are legitimate until Nexon closes the loophole.
Cookies
Mom: Don't eat before dinner, okay Johnny, Bob, and Harry?
Johnny, Bob, Harry: Okay mom.
Mom: *leaves*
Johnny: Oh look, it's a cookie jar. I want some cookies.
Harry: Sure, I'll take some too!
Bob: Er... I don't think we should take any of the cookies.
Johnny, Harry: Wow, stop hating. Mom didn't say there was anything wrong with taking the cookies. *eats cookies*
Mom: *returns* Hey, time for dinner, kids. Remember, don't eat cookies!
Johnny: Okay, now that Mom told me I couldn't eat cookies, now I won't.
Harry: *keeps eating the cookies*
Mom: What are you doing? Why are you eating the cookies?
Johnny (to Bob): I am better than Harry because I stopped eating the cookies. It's only a crime if you get caught, right?
Harrisonized Wrote:If the scroll is scroll blocked or there are such retroactive effects, then the extra slot was not meant to be.
Harrisonized Wrote:anyone can make the hypothetical 20 slot items without hacks.
I do it because I can. There's no such thing as a glitch unless Nexon tells me it's a glitch. Otherwise, I'll happily take advantage of the... new content that Nexon intentionally put in!