Clean Slate Glitch?

Because it's the limit of slots on equips, just because it's a cape doesn't mean it can't go by a the overall's limit on slots.

Slots and +x are just stats on the item, there's no cap on either. The only reason they're limited is cause (until now) there were no scrolls to add slots to items, only to take them away.

I think a more pertinent question would be, what is the minimum stat item they will ban you for owning? Will they go after people with +6 on 5 slot items? Or only people who exceeded the 10 slots that *any* item can't go over.

We cannot be sure whether there's a slot-limit or not. Though I'm on Dusk's side here; why should there be one?

Slots and +x are just stats on the item, there's no cap on either. The only reason they're limited is cause (until now) there were no scrolls to add slots to items, only to take them away.

I think a more pertinent question would be, what is the minimum stat item they will ban you for owning? Will they go after people with +6 on 5 slot items? Or only people who exceeded the 10 slots that *any* item can't go over.

I don't think anyone should be banned for this, they should just fix the damn glitch.

And just saw this XD

And Devil is not dense. I very much agree with his sense of logic.

It's a glitch when you get more than the number of intended slots, you have to admit.

The other part of this, is to find out whether you're able to find out whether a person has been abused this glitch or not. (Which is the biggest issue, really) If you're unable to locate and/or the glitch is so extreme that it will kill maplestory as of today, the "only" way to fix this is by a rollback, I'd think.

While this is true, I don't think a rollback will be very effective, since these more-than-maxed slot capes and shoes are only in the hands of few, and most of them are just 1-3 stats higher.

Last part, as for chair jumping and spell-jumping: These are minor glitches in the game, which does not really make anything unfair for anyone. The spell-jumping may be discussed, though if I were a Nexon programmer, I'd think that this unintended feature was a bonus, and a "gift" instead of an issue.

And thus, wouldn't white slating be merely a minor glitch?

The other part (protection/spike), I'm unsure of because I'm unsure whether there's a check on their servers with the scrolls. If there's no check, this glitch will very dangerous for items, such as facestompers. You're able to give the items a lot of attack through the use of chaos scrolls.

See, the problem is that Chaosing isn't cost effective unless you have everything else upgraded. Keep in mind that Chaos are 60% scrolls. 30% of the time, they add stats, 30% of the time, they take it away, and this applies to all stats individually. However, it balances out when it works to a net +0. Getting more than +2 on each Chaos is by extreme luck, as you have about an 18% chance of getting it on your desired stat. Getting 18% chance on 5 slots isn't very high, thus, it would not be as gamebreaking as you'd imagine it to be.

yeah, this issue should be addressed as soon as possible. Since Nexon-programmers (or technicians) has all the data in a database, they could eventually search up items having more slots, or worked scrolls, than possible. I do agree that this would be somewhat hard if they have no searching-algorithm yet, but that's the only way finding people effectively abusing this part of the glitch.

Somehow, I highly doubt they have all the items in the database. If they did, then last year's duping scheme would not have worked. Also, if they had all the items in the database, why did they not attach item IDs to each one of them?

I haven't experienced any timing difference with jumpcasting any of my attack/support skills (DS, AB, DP, Strafe, AR, Inferno, Puppet). Do you have a specific example?

Yes. Press them at the same time and you will experience the phenomenon known as "jumpcasting". (And although I'm not a bowman, I know almost every bowman knows to jumpcast strafe when appropriate.)

you know, im suprised no one brought this up, or suggested it, or w/e. Since the glitch has been exposed, it isnt really more cost effective anymore, but when clean slates are like pretty darn cheap, it is more effective doing this. If you land a bunch of 30s, lets say 4, on an weapon that is well above average. If you want a perfect weapon, the option before was to use whitescrolls with every slot, 10%ing, which would cost the price, on a loose average, 30 white scrolls. But, if you 10% each of the last slots, if you dont want to risk it. More then likely end up with +4, right? Then you use the glitch to get those 3 slots back, and repeat. Granted, it wont save a lot of money, especially if you arent lucky, but you wont lose white scroll whenever the 10% works. Im tired, and dont feel like doing math, but it should take on a loose average 10 tries to land a 10%, so each slot will use 9 white scrolls and 9 clean slates instead of 10 white scrolls. Im pretty sure, before the mass inflation on clean slates, 9 of them were cheaper then 1 white scrolls, and more common too. The increase in perfect items is actually due to less white scrolls being needed. albeit, not that much less. This, plus, you dont have to be the one who did the landing of the 10/30%s in the first place, just have to get slots back and redo.

LOLOLOL! How would using this save you one white scroll? The scroll is still 10%, meaning you still have to do whatever you have to do 10 times to get the slot.

It's a glitch. It was obviously unintended. Abusing a Glitch = Hacking in Nexon's eyes. Getting more than intended slots = Hacking.

How do you know they are more than 'intended'. Nowhere did they mention that capes can only have 8 slots. Also, if I wanted to abuse the glitch, I would have done it on a better item than a Purple AC.

Glitching does not = hacking.

If glitching = hacking, then Nexon would not have them separated on the ToS.

# Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage;

# Modify the Software, Cash Items or the Service to change "game play," including, without limitation, creating cheats and/or hacks or using third-party software to access files in the Software or Service;

(Don't try to argue that this is bannable because it's available to everyone, thus no competitive advantage in the first terms.)

If there's a +11 item, then there really is 0 restriction.

Wow, grats on your cape. =)

Because it's the limit of slots on equips, just because it's a cape doesn't mean it can't go by a the overall's limit on slots.

Precisely.

It's a glitch when you get more than the number of intended slots, you have to admit.

Again, you do not know what was intended or not, so stop it with the assumptions.

What if (yes, what if) one of the Nexon's decide to produce a method in which you can increase the number of slots? Would this suddenly become intended?

I don't think anyone should be banned for this, they should just fix the damn glitch.

Eh, IMO "fair" would be for them to straight up delete any affected items, and replace them with clean ones, or if they have unique IDs, roll them back a month.

LOLOLOL! How would using this save you one white scroll? The scroll is still 10%, meaning you still have to do whatever you have to do 10 times to get the slot.

1) use 10% scroll
2) white + clean slate if it fails
End result: 9 white scrolls + 9 clean slate + 10 10%s per success (on average)
If it works, you don't need to use a white scroll.

Old:
1) use 10% with white scroll
End result: 10 white scrolls + 10 10%s (on average)

Eh, IMO "fair" would be for them to straight up delete any affected items, and replace them with clean ones, or if they have unique IDs, roll them back a month.

So therefore, you wish harm to others who have sacrificed enormous amounts of money for a little advantage. How is that "fair"?

Your definition of fair is seems like a maple communism that doesn't work.

1) use 10% scroll
2) white + clean slate if it fails
End result: 9 white scrolls + 9 clean slate + 10 10%s per success (on average)
If it works, you don't need to use a white scroll.

Old:
1) use 10% with white scroll
End result: 10 white scrolls + 10 10%s (on average)

That's only if you have one slot. If you have more than one slot, it balances to 10.
Also, it's not cost effective as 1% scrolls are 300m now.

So therefore, you wish harm to others who have sacrificed enormous amounts of money for a little advantage. How is that "fair"?

Your definition of fair is seems like a maple communism that doesn't work.

My definition of "fair" includes "no glitch abuse".


If you use a glitch, you have an unfair advantage, and an equal and opposite disadvantage should be your reward. In this case, loss of the glitched item.


ps. If you don't understand my 2nd point, don't try to argue that it's wrong.

If you use a glitch, you have an unfair advantage, and an equal and opposite disadvantage should be your reward. In this case, loss of the glitched item.

No. It is not an "unequal advantage". 480m for 1~3 extra stats isn't a very high advantage, and even so, it's available to all, not just to you, not just to certain classes, and not only that, it doesn't give you much at all for the amount of money channeled into it.

Since it is available to all however, then it is not an "unfair" advantage.

ps. If you don't understand my 2nd point, don't try to argue that it's wrong.

I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying that the "unfair" part is wrong. If it truly were unfair, then the punishment you proposed would be a fair punishment.

No. It is not an "unequal advantage". 480m for 1~3 extra stats isn't a very high advantage, and even so, it's available to all, not just to you, not just to certain classes, and not only that, it doesn't give you much at all for the amount of money channeled into it.

Since it is available to all however, then it is not an unfair advantage.

Cool justification, bro.

Yeah, this glitch is available to everyone. Your point? Doesn't change that it's an advantage gained from using a glitch. It's different than buying a new weapon that's a few stats better. This is making items better in a way that isn't supposed to be possible.

And before you respond, give me something better than "no u! assumptions!" Okay?

I haven't experienced any timing difference with jumpcasting any of my attack/support skills (DS, AB, DP, Strafe, AR, Inferno, Puppet). Do you have a specific example?

Yes. Press them at the same time and you will experience the phenomenon known as "jumpcasting". (And although I'm not a bowman, I know almost every bowman knows to jumpcast strafe when appropriate.)

You have no idea what I said, do you?

LOLOLOL! How would using this save you one white scroll? The scroll is still 10%, meaning you still have to do whatever you have to do 10 times to get the slot.

I'll explain it slowly for you. If you have a good item with 3 slots left, you can either finish it with 10%+white scrolls, or you can throw 10%'s on all 3 slots and use white+clean slate on the remaining slots.

Lets say you throw 10%+white scrolls on the item and one work. You now have a 2 slot item that costed 3 10%'s and 3 white scrolls to add that extra 5 attack or whatever.

Now, if you chuck 3 10%'s at the item and clean slate+white afterwords, it works differently. Lets say you scroll the item with the 3 10%'s and one of them works (just like the above scenario). To get the item back to 2 slots, you'll need to use 2 clean slates and 2 white scrolls. And thus you've ended up with the same item as above. As you can see, this scenario would have been cheaper (if clean slates hadn't inflated already) because even though it costs 2 clean slates more, it costs 1 less white scroll.

While this is true, I don't think a rollback will be very effective, since these more-than-maxed slot capes and shoes are only in the hands of few, and most of them are just 1-3 stats higher.

And thus, wouldn't white slating be merely a minor glitch?

See, the problem is that Chaosing isn't cost effective unless you have everything else upgraded. Keep in mind that Chaos are 60% scrolls. 30% of the time, they add stats, 30% of the time, they take it away, and this applies to all stats individually. However, it balances out when it works to a net +0. Getting more than +2 on each Chaos is by extreme luck, as you have about an 18% chance of getting it on your desired stat. Getting 18% chance on 5 slots isn't very high, thus, it would not be as gamebreaking as you'd imagine it to be.

Somehow, I highly doubt they have all the items in the database. If they did, then last year's duping scheme would not have worked. Also, if they had all the items in the database, why did they not attach item IDs to each one of them?

LOLOLOL! How would using this save you one white scroll? The scroll is still 10%, meaning you still have to do whatever you have to do 10 times to get the slot.

Well, it all obviously depends whether this glitch will kill MapleStory or not like the pickpocket-error. I don't think it will.

And yes, white slating would for me not be a big issue, though fixing it wouldn't be too stupid, as it kills the reason to get slates without white scrolls. On the other hand, capes and shoes with a lot of stats (say, a 30 int cape) would for me be overkill. And though given the fact that a chaos cape or shoe have low rates of becoming good, the chance's still there.

Thing is, they have the items in a database. How it's stored, I'm unsure of. However, what I do know, is that when you log on on another computer than you normally use, your items are still there. Thus, it must be on a server, written in a database. Maybe not as easy to drag out from the server that they would like to, but it has to be there somewhere, lol.

And that slating-thing:
10 10%s before a slot is working, all with white scrolls requires 10 white scrolls.
10 10% and slating if a slot is failing would only require 9 white scrolls.
(Either way, slates have a boom-rate, and I don't like that boom-rate even if it's almost nonexistant)

Oh, and yeah, if they are actually able to locate the white-protection/spiked items:
Remove bonus(es), and add same amount of scrolls, white scrolls and spike/protection-scrolls.

That's only if you have one slot. If you have more than one slot, it balances to 10.
Also, it's not cost effective as 1% scrolls are 300m now.

per slot, the % chance of 10% working is the same, so on average you use one less white scroll(i.e. the one for the time the 10% worked) then you would have. And yeah, like i mentioned in my first post, its not cost effective now with clean slates being extremely costly.

I dont think this glitch has affected khaini, much, if at all. I saw an unsold clean slate 3%(may have been 5%) for 100mil, and cape cold protect for 20. Then again, our server doesnt have as many white scrolls floating around that other servers do. Or as many near perfect items.

Felix, why do you make it your goal to taunt me in every way.
What the f'uck is that quote doing in your signature?

And no, it's no different because in both, you are simply upgrading an equip without changing anything that's available to you.

KaidaTan, you do know that clean slates have a chance of exploding right? Why would you risk that when you don't have to?

KaidaTan, you do know that clean slates have a chance of exploding right? Why would you risk that when you don't have to?

Well I wouldn't, that's just what someone could do to avoid using an extra white scroll.

If there's a +11 item, then there really is 0 restriction.

to be fair, can we get a full SS so we know this isn't a pserver <_< or put it up in mts for a ridiculous amount so i can search it pls

Felix, why do you make it your goal to taunt me in every way.

And no, it's no different because in both, you are simply upgrading an equip without changing anything that's available to you.

KaidaTan, you do know that clean slates have a chance of exploding right? Why would you risk that when you don't have to?

Whoa, don't get so full of yourself now. I have no goals involving you.

The sad thing is that there is a difference. Normally, you only have so many options to improve stats. A) Scroll yourself a better item. B) Clean Slate an item of yours and try improving it. C) Make a perfect 10% + Whites item. D) Buy from another person who used said methods. However you want to spin it, that's how it goes. That's how to get better stats gear.

Now you're bringing in an option E), which is using a glitch with White scrolls to add any number of slots to items. It's always been set in stone that items have as many slots as their number implies. That's what it's there for. There has never been anything that adds completely new slots to items. If there was, it'd be a "+slot scroll" or something that is intended for it to happen--not a glitch with White scrolls.

How do you know they are more than 'intended'. Nowhere did they mention that capes can only have 8 slots. Also, if I wanted to abuse the glitch, I would have done it on a better item than a Purple AC.

Glitching does not = hacking.

If glitching = hacking, then Nexon would not have them separated on the ToS.

# Exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage;

# Modify the Software, Cash Items or the Service to change "game play," including, without limitation, creating cheats and/or hacks or using third-party software to access files in the Software or Service;

(Don't try to argue that this is bannable because it's available to everyone, thus no competitive advantage in the first terms.)

Lol, I love how you argue just because you did this yourself.

Nexon clearly stated in the ToS that playing the game in a non-intended way is hacking.

Using a macro, third-party program, or physical method to play the game in a repetitive manner is considered botting. Using physical means to bot could include using coins or staplers to hold down a key. There is no difference between that and a macro that holds down the control button. Botting is considered a similar offense as hacking in that it uses illegal means to play the game in a manner that is not intended by the creators. In other words, botting is just as bad. =)

Though it isn't directly stated to glitching, it is stated that playing the game in a manner that was not part of the game, then it is hacking. Exploiting errors in the design is the definition of Glitching. Using this glitch to your advantage (even if it is only 1 int. 1 int =/= Nothing.), is abusing it. It is obviously not intended, especially based on the descriptions of the items. When you write to nexon, asking if it's a glitch or not, THEN I will believe you. For Now, it's obviously a glitch.

Modifying the software in any way, is hacking. BUT, according to nexon, abusing a glitch = hacking. I'm just relaying the message.

to be fair, can we get a full SS so we know this isn't a pserver <_< or put it up in mts for a ridiculous amount so i can search it pls

That cape is owned by vtstyles of Scania.
You can go stalk him if you wanna see it I guess...

No. It is not an "unequal advantage". 480m for 1~3 extra stats isn't a very high advantage, and even so, it's available to all, not just to you, not just to certain classes, and not only that, it doesn't give you much at all for the amount of money channeled into it.

Since it is available to all however, then it is not an "unfair" advantage.

So are hacking tools, are you calling them a fair advantage?


Playing the game in a way it was not intended to be played = unfair, regardless how it is done.

It's not "available" to anyone who plays in the manner intended by Nexon.


The only excuse for exploiting a glitch is for demonstration purposes - and it should be done in a way which minimizes impact, and eliminates all doubt that the glitch exists.