The thread for Str-less brawlers

lol *lost in the arguement*
well i alternate from my fish spear and my surfboard
theyre both same attack,but my surfboard adds jump and fishy gives spped :3
i use it to out run the bombs x.x

okay here's a ss

lol *lost in the arguement*
well i alternate from my fish spear and my surfboard
theyre both same attack,but my surfboard adds jump and fishy gives spped :3
i use it to out run the bombs x.x

use the spear, if they're the same att the spear will do more with sskick

and nice stt summer

EDIT: first post updated

Yeah, I said that Stereo. Then again he might listen to you better. And the att multiplier on spears is amazing with sskick cause its always a stab.

False.
Since your main stat is DEX and you don't have any STR at all, the DEX multiplier is what matters. And whether you're using a spear, polearm, 1h axe, or dagger, the DEX multiplier is 1.

On the other hand, the DEX multiplier on a gun is 3.6. However, that's counterbalanced by 1) the higher attack of a common weapon compared to the level 10 gun and 2) the power of SSKick over DS. So, common weapons do end up more powerful.

However, I will say that attacking people who are merely speculating about other possibilies is completely off-base. The whole idea of a pure DEX brawler, as you promote, is to have fun and be different. And now you're saying there's only one right way to do that?

You put InBomb's original thread to shame.

put each person's lvling list in spoilers too so it wont b too long

False.
Since your main stat is DEX and you don't have any STR at all, the DEX multiplier is what matters. And whether you're using a spear, polearm, 1h axe, or dagger, the DEX multiplier is 1.

On the other hand, the DEX multiplier on a gun is 3.6. However, that's counterbalanced by 1) the higher attack of a common weapon compared to the level 10 gun and 2) the power of SSKick over DS. So, common weapons do end up more powerful.

However, I will say that attacking people who are merely speculating about other possibilies is completely off-base. The whole idea of a pure DEX brawler, as you promote, is to have fun and be different. And now you're saying there's only one right way to do that?

You put InBomb's original thread to shame.

Even inbomb admitted himself that he noticed the diff in spears and pa's, it still affects the 4 str you have.
And I'm "promoting" my way or the matrix fister not the double shotting then advance to brawler only to not have sskick and flash fist brawler.

where should i train at lvl 19?

where should i train at lvl 19?

the octopusses

yes, definitely...

after 20, MAYBE if you want... go for ariant PQ *you can hit the scorpions no problem ^^*

well i only lvled once today ... because of server check... and because i didn't want to play much... but i can also KPQ now.

what i'm having trouble deciding is... should i go for dash and get 11 flash fist? or just go all flash fist and 0 dash?

pros and cons?

Even inbomb admitted himself that he noticed the diff in spears and pa's, it still affects the 4 str you have.

4 str * 5.0 multiplier * 100 attack / 100 * 190% SSKick = 38 max damage
4 str * 3.0 multiplier * 100 attack / 100 * 190% SSKick = 22.8 max damage

Big deal. A whole 15 damage difference with 100 total weapon attack, which most people won't even have with low common weapons. The attack of the weapon itself is still a much bigger factor than its type.

Sure, it still makes a difference, but it's not like a 50 attack spear would beat out a 60 attack, or even 55, polearm.

on my GUNSLINGER i trained faster w/ 11 kick and a spear than with max double shot.

the difference here is that str-less BRAWLERS never get gun mastery, but they have automatic "mastery" for spears. spears are always the superior choice, because sk hits 6 with consistent damage.

quit bugging them, theyve tried it. guns suck for this type of build.

i personally used guns but added points into SK cuz i had high dex and the dmg w/ the gun was a bit better at lower levels

Ty modular, anyways im taking a bit of a hiatus from my str-less but you guys must continue lol. Ill be on him periodically.

4 str * 5.0 multiplier * 100 attack / 100 * 190% SSKick = 38 max damage
4 str * 3.0 multiplier * 100 attack / 100 * 190% SSKick = 22.8 max damage

Big deal. A whole 15 damage difference with 100 total weapon attack, which most people won't even have with low common weapons. The attack of the weapon itself is still a much bigger factor than its type.

Sure, it still makes a difference, but it's not like a 50 attack spear would beat out a 60 attack, or even 55, polearm.

it was said... both polearm and spear had the SAME wep att... so of course spear > polearm...

now you add in dex to your calculation:
at my current level...
8 str *because of 4 str top* and 117 dex...
my tuna would in general deal:
(17 * 3 + 117) * 83 / 100 = 139.44 (my tuna has 9 str boost from scrolling)
to compare to that, i'll need a...
(17 * 5 + 117) * x / 100 = 117.03 => x = 139.44 * 100 / (17 * 5 + 117) = 69 att spear with 9 str boost... OR *skipping formula* 88.8 ~ 89 att spear with 0 str boost... (20 weapon attack for 9 str?!? WOW! and the tuna with str > spear without str at same wep attack!)

so what does that tell us?
it's not weapon attack that plays a bigger role... it's the amount of str the weapon offers =) because our base STR is SO LOW ... ANY str added can increase the damage by a HUGE margin... so... first thing to look at when getting a weapon is the amount of STR it offers... and THEN the weapon attack... and finally the weapon type
i just proved polearm can be better than spear if enough str is put in...

ok without str boost in weapons then?

let's just say i wasn't wearing any str top and my tuna had 0 str boost... *which is impossible unless it's a lvl 20 beginner's tuna... which i couldn't wear anyway... but let's just say i CAN ... and i CAN at the same time find a spear that can match it*

tuna: 107.07 att
to match it, i need a spear with: 78 wep att...

5 attacks lower only...
so Russt is right in a way... weapon type, doesn't play too big of a role in choosing a weapon... BUT if it were the same attack, AND the same str bonus *MORE IMPORTANT*, then spear is the way to go.

and guns definitely aren't a help at all... my friend's 23 gunslinger does about the same damage as me with a fish spear... but that's with a lvl 20 gun... which i can't wear because of low str. so using a gun is definitely out of the question.

it was said... both polearm and spear had the SAME wep att...

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so of course spear > polearm...

now you add in dex to your calculation:
at my current level...
8 str *because of 4 str top* and 117 dex...
my tuna would in general deal:
(17 * 3 + 117) * 83 / 100 = 139.44 (my tuna has 9 str boost from scrolling)
to compare to that, i'll need a...
(17 * 5 + 117) * x / 100 = 117.03 => x = 139.44 * 100 / (17 * 5 + 117) = 69 att spear with 9 str boost... OR *skipping formula* 88.8 ~ 89 att spear with 0 str boost... (20 weapon attack for 9 str?!? WOW! and the tuna with str > spear without str at same wep attack!)

so what does that tell us?
it's not weapon attack that plays a bigger role... it's the amount of str the weapon offers =) because our base STR is SO LOW ... ANY str added can increase the damage by a HUGE margin... so... first thing to look at when getting a weapon is the amount of STR it offers... and THEN the weapon attack... and finally the weapon type
i just proved polearm can be better than spear if enough str is put in...

ok without str boost in weapons then?

let's just say i wasn't wearing any str top and my tuna had 0 str boost... *which is impossible unless it's a lvl 20 beginner's tuna... which i couldn't wear anyway... but let's just say i CAN ... and i CAN at the same time find a spear that can match it*

tuna: 107.07 att
to match it, i need a spear with: 78 wep att...

5 attacks lower only...
so Russt is right in a way... weapon type, doesn't play too big of a role in choosing a weapon... BUT if it were the same attack, AND the same str bonus *MORE IMPORTANT*, then spear is the way to go.

and guns definitely aren't a help at all... my friend's 23 gunslinger does about the same damage as me with a fish spear... but that's with a lvl 20 gun... which i can't wear because of low str. so using a gun is definitely out of the question.

im not an it ;-; cant lvl for nao cuz school sux

lol sry... >.<

if you like... i meant "it" by the "post"

lvl 24 now!!! where can i train from 24-30?!?

AriantPQ sucks... KPQ is slow... and full of noobs... and i'm sort of tired of PQs

sand rats in magatia?

it was said... both polearm and spear had the SAME wep att... so of course spear > polearm...

now you add in dex to your calculation:
at my current level...
8 str *because of 4 str top* and 117 dex...
my tuna would in general deal:
(17 * 3 + 117) * 83 / 100 = 139.44 (my tuna has 9 str boost from scrolling)
to compare to that, i'll need a...
(17 * 5 + 117) * x / 100 = 117.03 => x = 139.44 * 100 / (17 * 5 + 117) = 69 att spear with 9 str boost... OR *skipping formula* 88.8 ~ 89 att spear with 0 str boost... (20 weapon attack for 9 str?!? WOW! and the tuna with str > spear without str at same wep attack!)

so what does that tell us?
it's not weapon attack that plays a bigger role... it's the amount of str the weapon offers =) because our base STR is SO LOW ... ANY str added can increase the damage by a HUGE margin... so... first thing to look at when getting a weapon is the amount of STR it offers... and THEN the weapon attack... and finally the weapon type
i just proved polearm can be better than spear if enough str is put in...

ok without str boost in weapons then?

let's just say i wasn't wearing any str top and my tuna had 0 str boost... *which is impossible unless it's a lvl 20 beginner's tuna... which i couldn't wear anyway... but let's just say i CAN ... and i CAN at the same time find a spear that can match it*

tuna: 107.07 att
to match it, i need a spear with: 78 wep att...

5 attacks lower only...
so Russt is right in a way... weapon type, doesn't play too big of a role in choosing a weapon... BUT if it were the same attack, AND the same str bonus *MORE IMPORTANT*, then spear is the way to go.

and guns definitely aren't a help at all... my friend's 23 gunslinger does about the same damage as me with a fish spear... but that's with a lvl 20 gun... which i can't wear because of low str. so using a gun is definitely out of the question.

ffs. If you want STR nothing's preventing you from adding some. But since you choose not to, then obviously 1 DEX > 1 STR so the DEX bonus on the weapon is even better.

I chose to avoid that confusion by simply doing a half-half build. Too bad I'm too lazy to train. lol

you don't seem to get the "point" of being str-less... well... there's no point really... you could consider it more as a "challenge"...

there are a couple of people who play Final Fantasy X, decide to play through the whole game "sphere-less"... spheres are the FFX leveling up and skill upgrade system... why would you go sphere-less when you can easily beat them by using spheres? well same thing really... we put up a challenge and test ourselves to see if we can achieve that goal... and they have. and you can pretty much sense they're a LOT more satisfied at beating the game sphere-less than beating it first hand with everything allowed...

there were also "one character only" etc which set up different challenges. just consider perma-beginners, HP warriors, STR clerics, STR-less brawlers, etc as a "big challenge" to the players who chose to follow those paths...

anyways... having more damage is just a "bonus"... it's not something "WE HAVE TO GET!" we're going str-less because we chose to be weaker... but being stronger in the weaker spectrum is always better... and that's not by "adding points into str" which defeats the purpose

and no, dex is NOT better than str... and WHAT KIND of a weapon gives DEX bonus?!? *that a pirate can wear*

and the MORE you have of that "bonus stat", the less useful that bonus the weapon gives is useful.

if i had more str, say all dex into str, then that 9 str from tuna wouldn't do much at all... but since i don't have any (only 4 from top and 4 base) that 9 makes a HUMONGOUS difference

and the extra dex i get for not adding str *21 points now* compared to the weapon attack the gun would offer is not worth it.

gun is VERY weak... it's fast, but still weak. using double fire with a lvl 10 gun is DEFINITELY out of the question. ANYTHING else, even fish spear would be better than the lvl 10 gun.

and YES it IS bothering me to put points into str, because that would make me NOT str-less anymore

the definiteion of str-less is NO STR ADDED (or only 4 base str)

you were talking about weapon choices, i reply with what i think:
if you want a better weapon? go for the ones with more str. instead of wep att. of course wep att is also important just not as much as str. for the same range

If I were you guys, I'd consider maxing double shot, since it'll do more damage than somersault, since you're focusing solely on dex, and it'd probably speed your training quite a bit.

When Maple Knuckles come out, thats what Str-less brawlers use