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KhainiWest Wrote:A car accident is also interesting when you look at how the events unfolded during said collision, that doesn't mean jack sh`it. You're saying chaos is art, the problem with your very "justification" is what ruined maplestory to begin with.
Maplestory started out as you the player exploring, hence "explorers", or back in the day just frekin characters. You did quests to learn about the world, living out myths, challenging them, even creating them. Your tasks gave you depth of the actual word you played in.
What do we have now? A half ass story that was canned since Nexon Joe or whatever his name left. You installed these stupid heroes that spell out "M.A.P.L.E" or whatever, who "defeated the dark mage", and then you learn the history of a villain you are destined to fight back against. Now even the explorere has some half-assed involvement that has been changed what, 3 times now? To force you to have a goal, to a purpose, how is it your story when you are forcefed a story, to prove some kind of significance to yourself?
"Pieces to a Puzzle", more like adlibs of you making more characters even more ridiculous than the last to repeat the same god awful content. Seriously, how can you not see they make up these pieces everytime they make a new class, when before it was actually planned the f`uck out, and you can see the difference. I hate it when players cling onto that whole "I ENJOY THE GAME FOR THESE SHALLOW, WEAK POINTS BECAUSE I"M NOT A MAINSTREAM PLAYER.
No you're a masochist just like any other player, you just want to find an excuse because you don't spend thousands of dollars to get decent at bossing, you enjoy challenges and want to find value outside of something so "common" in todays metagame. You're just as bad as the rest of them simply because you play even though nexon can ban your character for you taking a piss, make your class completely unplayable one patch, or piss off the wrong person and you suddenly are denied access to the game. It doesn't matter what content you like in the game, or what the hell you appreciate, you're punished from just being apart of the system, don't kid yourselves.
Woooaaahhh All the implications at the end there....
Lemme in on you some things.
1. I only buy NX for perm things or gifts for friends. I don't do "pro" bossing. My highest is a 171 Luminous that I typically ROLEPLAY on. So as for that "thousands" of dollars. No... I actually don't spend that much.
2. >I'm a victim of the system
I'm actually HAPPY with the system currently because I focus on the story and not much else.
-Oh boy new area? I'll explore it for the quest line after all the initial hype wears down from those that want whatever was added in this patch from it.
-New class? Great, I'll make it later and play it out a bit.
-Marvel and Gach update? I'll pass.
3. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the small bits that make up a whole story. I enjoy seeing Phantom in Beast Tamer's alliance quest, and it's even funnier when you play Luminous and realize he bickers the same way with Neinheart. The only thing "shallow" about my faning is the shipping. Shall I send you a PM with some of the fanfics I have wrote? or maybe I can hold you over with some nice fan art.
4. I've been playing Maplestory since before pirates were even a thing and guess what? I was still roleplaying back then. I don't know what you expect out of Maplestory but compared to years ago, there is a lot more for me to enjoy roleplay wise, which makes for a very happy Kimi.
I dunno what you got against the game, but I invite new classes and areas, I welcome revamps and rewriting. I am enjoying this game currently and have been for a long time. The only thing I wish could be settled truly is Aran's gender because that makes it very hard to roleplay but essentially my crew just gave up and see Aran as two different people now.
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Justin Wrote:The work NXJoe did and what's going on today aren't even related, nor was NXJoe's plotline for NLC even canonically important to my knowledge. Yeah, the way things were going were great, but pomegranate happens, get over it. Enough with the rose tinted glasses.
I'm sorry but the story was by far superior to todays sh`it. You have a class that is literally a pop star s`lut. #SODEEP #SOCREATIVE. I can recognize the faults of old maplestory, believe you me, but what they have been doing with these class stories are downright contradictory to what was intended. Yes, the last good plot point we ever got was by NXJoe with CWKPQ. Do you really want to argue that point or should we compare? You know, the almost 6 years of people asking for NLC to continue, only to get some bastardized version of it?
Justin Wrote:You over use this line so often it's getting bland and honestly stupid. You act like any single person that plays this game and doesn't ever encounter Nexon's erroneous ways is someone who enjoys pain or being treated like they're worthless. Read: Most people that play this game never end up dealing with pay2win, or false bans, or any of that other sort of bullpomegranate that you constantly refer to as some sort of masochistic tendency. Knock it off.
LOL. Really, are you serious, everyone deals with this sh`it, hell I bet if I did a post history (honestly too lazy to with you) I could find you complaining about something related to those things. Then you have people who are literally so fickle and desperate they will turn around in the flip of a switch. I won't mention names but someone like you, who had y our perspective, got permabanned, for almost what, 2-3 months? It wasn't valid, and they finally changed it, he made an angry dome thread about how maplestory is absolutely retarded and how dare he waste his time. The moment his character got released, he pulled a 360. When is it your turn? Well we'll see in the future. But those are just some of the things, you wanna talk about bosses dc youing? Players dcing you? PQ's being broken or worthless? Characters patches the same way? How about server crashes, unscheduled server checks being as common as server checks.
You're a masochist, no one with common sense would put up with such risk to play a game that punishes you with things you have no control over endlessly. Would you like to talk about the database leak, the massive false permabans that happened what, 3 times now in error? Oh, how about the fu`cking ticket system.
Justin Wrote:I'm sorry, this just made me burst out laughing. As if Maplestory ever had any semblence of "meta game" or balance for that matter.
You're so desperate to find any validity in your defense that you can't even keep up. What is the strategy of maplestory, or most MMO games? It's not competitive, so we aren't talking player vs player, as you ignorantly suggest. The point of maplestory at this point of time is to simply be able to boss so sustain your NX need. That's the common "goal" of maplestory with majority of the players. That's why the only people who play are capable of bossing because everyone else left. The only aspect left is bossing and the growth to get to it. When you have quests feed you to level 100, "story" quests, hell more like "tutorial", then you can see where the game is taking you. "quick jump right to bossing because that's all we have to do!"
Justin Wrote:Again, most players don't even remotely deal with the first and 3rd points you make there. The second point is something that literally every MMO out there does to an extent. Have you ever played other MMOs Dustin?
Maybe you should visit the nexon forum more, or maybe talk to people who actually deal with reports, before you spout such nonsense in your little to no populated server. The problem is VERY out there, and A LOT of people experience it. Hell not even 2 months Nexon was being harrased by some brat who was being harased by a dc hacker. Yes a harasser harassing them. You're so stuck in your bubble that you don't even know what sh`it nexon has done recently to essentially tell you "lol maplestory is perfect f`uck off pessimists."
No because most MMOs besides blade and soul are blatent world of warcraft* rip offs, the only other MMOs I've tried are Terra, and I think that's it (Depends if you include borderlands), but all of them were boring concepts. But please, find me another MMO with, uh, how many classes are there? 40+? That's not "MMO standard" that's "We ran out of sh`it so here's our gimmick, oh and if you want to start over, we';ll make sure you invest NX".
Justin Wrote:Please, elaborate because I fail to see how this is even partially true. Maplestory is a much different game than it used to be, but it isn't nearly this cesspool of garbage your clearly bitter self is so jaded over.
Maplestory has its problems for sure, but it's still a hell of a lot better than most other alternatives out there.
That's a closing statement, from what I just said, the elaboration is all above it. Name me an aspect of maplestory and I can tell you a single event that completely f`ucked it over for months. For you to believe maplestory is not a cesspool is an absolutely desperate, groundless, statement, you're either naive or denial. Unfortunately for you I have actual facts to back up that maplestory is sh`it, want to start with the population decline over the last 5 years? Hell look at southperry, even this website has maybe half its usual active members. You think maplestory 2 is going to save everything? HA.
kimicatdemon Wrote:Woooaaahhh All the implications at the end there....
Lemme in on you some things.
1. I only buy NX for perm things or gifts for friends. I don't do "pro" bossing. My highest is a 171 Luminous that I typically ROLEPLAY on. So as for that "thousands" of dollars. No... I actually don't spend that much.
2. >I'm a victim of the system
I'm actually HAPPY with the system currently because I focus on the story and not much else.
-Oh boy new area? I'll explore it for the quest line after all the initial hype wears down from those that want whatever was added in this patch from it.
-New class? Great, I'll make it later and play it out a bit.
-Marvel and Gach update? I'll pass.
I'd love to see your NX log listed on the maplestory website, let's see how many cubes/scissors/pets you have ordered, considering every single class needs you to purchase everything all over again. What you're telling me is maplestory is so shallow you only can focus on one aspect, and a pretty worthless one at that. How long does the new class or area entertain you? A few weeks? Then what, back to waiting. It's like quick shots of goddamn heroin. You being a victim of the system just further deteriorates your perspective/opinion. You got burned so now you limit yourself because you just can't say "Well this isn't worth it", that is addiction, dear.
kimicatdemon Wrote:3. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the small bits that make up a whole story. I enjoy seeing Phantom in Beast Tamer's alliance quest, and it's even funnier when you play Luminous and realize he bickers the same way with Neinheart. The only thing "shallow" about my faning is the shipping. Shall I send you a PM with some of the fanfics I have wrote? or maybe I can hold you over with some nice fan art.
WHAT STORY. The epicly cliched, contradicting story that has been told by 3 different "maplestory teams"???? You want to play a game with an engaging story/lore go play magiboni or whatever the hell thats called.
kimicatdemon Wrote:4. I've been playing Maplestory since before pirates were even a thing and guess what? I was still roleplaying back then. I don't know what you expect out of Maplestory but compared to years ago, there is a lot more for me to enjoy roleplay wise, which makes for a very happy Kimi.
...You played Gaia hotel didnt you? Or whatever it was called. And what do I expect from maplestory? That's been repeated too many times.
kimicatdemon Wrote:I dunno what you got against the game, but I invite new classes and areas, I welcome revamps and rewriting. I am enjoying this game currently and have been for a long time. The only thing I wish could be settled truly is Aran's gender because that makes it very hard to roleplay but essentially my crew just gave up and see Aran as two different people now.
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That's what I don't get about some of you maplers, you challenge all rational facts of the games drastic decline with WELL I HAVE FUN. I'm sure the KKK has fun with it's meetings too but doesn't mean it's suddenly a socially accepted club. Business even with 4-5 regular customers still close down. You fit a specific nitch that you take specifically out of this game because it is your comfort zone, when there are other games that specifically define themselves with role play, I guess at least. It's like me saying maplestory is the best game on the f`ucking planet because they have an interactive board, yeah the slime/mushroom pieces are adorable, but maplestory isn't about that.
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You can write all the essays you want raging about "minority" but honestly, from where I stand in the crowd, you're a minority yourself.
It all depends on who you choose to hang out with, because I assure you, the side you are calling "minority" is pretty huge.
by the way:
>I buy pets/cubes/hammers for every class. I only buy pets for classes I plan on actually using a lot. And even then, the only one I bought was a perm persian cat. The rest are all events. I don't buy cubes or hammers.
>I never got into gaia.
>Played Mabi. Found it boring personally.
I'll stick with my cliche Maplestory and sit happily in the "minority" with my maplestory anthologies and merchandise. Thank you.
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Time to take off your rose-tinted nostalgia glasses, Dustin.
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dowie Wrote:magiboni :3
Dunno why, this made me laugh though.
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I enjoy playing magiboni once in a while :3
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kimicatdemon Wrote:You can write all the essays you want raging about "minority" but honestly, from where I stand in the crowd, you're a minority yourself.
It all depends on who you choose to hang out with, because I assure you, the side you are calling "minority" is pretty huge.
by the way:
>I buy pets/cubes/hammers for every class. I only buy pets for classes I plan on actually using a lot. And even then, the only one I bought was a perm persian cat. The rest are all events. I don't buy cubes or hammers.
>I never got into gaia.
>Played Mabi. Found it boring personally.
I'll stick with my cliche Maplestory and sit happily in the "minority" with my maplestory anthologies and merchandise. Thank you.
...If you actually read my essay, which is really not even half a page of a book to be honest, at least by my standards, population decline would indicate you are in fact the minority.
icephoenix21 Wrote:Time to take off your rose-tinted nostalgia glasses, Dustin.
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Dunno why, this made me laugh though.
...How is this relevant? That maplestory before is better than what it has become now? I think that's a well thought out fact, it's not even a content issue it's an NX dependency issue. What you do is chores, not play a game. Again, for all you current players, like most, ya know, valid scientific theories, are backed up by actual facts than opinions. Population decline is all I really need to point out, especially how drastic it is. You do realize this is the worst summer in maplestory history right?
Most maplestory players should be able to relate to Ira Gamagori
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That's why friend story became a thing recently and this is why Nexon is rushing to make more story related content than shoving out high leveled areas.....
because we're a minority, right?
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Erm, What content is Nexon "rushing" currently? What story related and high leveled areas?
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dowie Wrote:Erm, What content is Nexon "rushing" currently? What story related and high leveled areas?
I wouldn't exactly saying "rushing" but they did say that high leveled areas weren't a high priority at the moment, and they would like to focus on improving the story telling ways for presentation in Maplestory. Specifically with the new quest system that was added in with Zero and used in Friend Story.
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KhainiWest Wrote:...How is this relevant? That maplestory before is better than what it has become now? I think that's a well thought out fact, it's not even a content issue it's an NX dependency issue. What you do is chores, not play a game. Again, for all you current players, like most, ya know, valid scientific theories, are backed up by actual facts than opinions. Population decline is all I really need to point out, especially how drastic it is. You do realize this is the worst summer in maplestory history right?
You assume it's a fact. Old Maple had just as many issues as current maple does, if not more. You people that are stuck with the ideals of old Maple seem to forget that on a regular basis. A majority of what you're saying is based on your opinions.
Granted, MS is largely dependent on NX, however, the game has come quite a ways from when potential first came out in regards to being more accessible to non-nx buyers, and hopefully will continue to improve in such ways.
Also, you're always calling everyone a masochist and getting into these debates. Doesn't that make you the masochistic one?
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kimicatdemon Wrote:That's why friend story became a thing recently and this is why Nexon is rushing to make more story related content than shoving out high leveled areas.....
because we're a minority, right?
I don't think you understand. Nexon in Korea is doing perfectly fine, the one in America is doing f`ucking terrible, and has been for years. So the content you seeing shoveling is appeasing Korean players but the gradual decline for NA population would lead me to believe, your enjoyment is unique.
icephoenix21 Wrote:You assume it's a fact.
No heidi, you're assuming that I am assuming. So rather waste my time, go google "maplestory population", where people have made applications to keep track, and go look at the gradual trend yourself, unless I'm wrong. Put your data where your mouth is. Not only that but I find it absolutely ridiculous you even come up with such a ludicrous challenge when Scania doesn't even host full FM's anymore, straight up denial on your part.
icephoenix21;1271396Old Maple had just as many issues as current maple does, if not more. You people that are stuck with the ideals of old Maple seem to forget that on a regular basis. A majority of what you're saying is based on [I Wrote:your[/I] opinions.
What is "old maple" because I assure you pre 2007 maplestory didn't have packet editing duplications, dc hacking that resulted in such large market crashes they removed the only legitimate way to get NX through meso, to the point where the only way to recover was to release a new tier of potential. It also didn't have the problem where all the classes aren't streamlined as the same sh`it.
icephoenix21 Wrote:Granted, MS is largely dependent on NX, however, the game has come quite a ways from when potential first came out in regards to being more accessible to non-nx buyers, and hopefully will continue to improve in such ways.
Haha bull sh`it, what you're talking is a drop in a bucket. Hell you want to know how adamant nexon is for transitioning to that, majority of these "NX perks" are limited to your f`ucking game ID.
icephoenix21 Wrote:Also, you're always calling everyone a masochist and getting into these debates. Doesn't that make you the masochistic one?
How do these debates hurt me? They don't strip away my hard work, they don't make me spend money, and they certainly don't deny me from being able to post (well infractions can change that but whatever).
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Oh..are we responding with photos from terrible, over-hyped animes now?
Too lazy to pull up any SAO photos.
Looks like I'm done here.
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Are you saying I enjoy Maplestory only with GMS players? Because I have friends in JMS, KMS, and MSEA I enjoy it with too. Maplestory isn't a game to be enjoyed in one server alone.
This said, Are you mainly hating on the GMS custom content or something because GMS does get KMS custom content??
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KhainiWest Wrote:you don't even know what sh`it nexon has done recently to essentially tell you "lol maplestory is perfect f`uck off pessimists."
outside of permabanning forumers for "constant negativity" because they kept pointing out their massive failures?
KhainiWest Wrote:But please, find me another MMO with, uh, how many classes are there? 40+? That's not "MMO standard" that's "We ran out of sh`it so here's our gimmick, oh and if you want to start over, we';ll make sure you invest NX".
um, Elsword I think?
KhainiWest Wrote:...You played Gaia hotel didnt you? Or whatever it was called. And what do I expect from maplestory? That's been repeated too many times. I'm guessing you're like...conflating Habbo Hotel with Gaia Online (the latter of which isn't even a game)
kimicatdemon Wrote:You can write all the essays you want raging about "minority" but honestly, from where I stand in the crowd, you're a minority yourself.
It all depends on who you choose to hang out with, because I assure you, the side you are calling "minority" is pretty huge. yeah, what, 30 thousand? as opposed to the hundreds of thousands who got tired of this pomegranate and left?
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icephoenix21 Wrote:Oh..are we responding with photos from terrible, over-hyped animes now?
Too lazy to pull up any SAO photos.
Looks like I'm done here.
I'm sorry are the pretty pictures distracting you from the actual content of you getting frekin steam rolled per usual? Population has declined, been declining since 2011, as far as I can look back. It be much more mature and lady like to just admit you're wrong.
The gamagoori thing was a joke since he is a masochist.
Also the f`uck the picture wasn't even directed at you, that's just pathetic heidi, you couldn't even CONFRONT the facts and just ran away on some baseless strawman. Goddamn, I'm embarrassed for you
kimicatdemon Wrote:Are you saying I enjoy Maplestory only with GMS players? Because I have friends in JMS, KMS, and MSEA I enjoy it with too. Maplestory isn't a game to be enjoyed in one server alone.
This said, Are you mainly hating on the GMS custom content or something because GMS does get KMS custom content??
We're discussing GMS, the population decline is happening in GMS, so yes, you are the minority, by frekin fact. What is with you women and deflecting to pointless sh`it, keep on topic for gods sake.
xparasite9 Wrote:outside of permabanning forumers for "constant negativity" because they kept pointing out their massive failures?
um, Elsword I think?
23 characters, but there's technically only like 7 or 8 branches that allow 3 choices, maplestory has an entire new branch almost every frekin time. In fact I'd be less annoyed if they didn't allow CS transfers (yes I'm aware they had a single event that allowed but still that is frekin stupid)
xparasite9 Wrote:I'm guessing you're like...conflating Habbo Hotel with Gaia Online (the latter of which isn't even a game)
Yes you're right
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Well, if it's a "frekin fact" let's see your numbers, big boy. I'm curious and I'm listening...
Keep in mind, people can be pro and still take interest in the story, so hybrids will not count in your statical information.
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Quote:it's not even a content issue it's an NX dependency issue. What you do is chores, not play a game.
holy pomegranate this is exactly what MapleStory is now.
kimicatdemon Wrote:That's why friend story became a thing recently and this is why Nexon is rushing to make more story related content than shoving out high leveled areas.....
because we're a minority, right?
haha do you realize what you are talking about.
they aren't focusing on the higher level content because they---get this-- can't keep people hooked long enough to get themselves to the higher level content because the lower level "story" crap is so terrible it's driving people away.
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kimicatdemon Wrote:Well, if it's a "frekin fact" let's see your numbers, big boy. I'm curious and I'm listening...
Keep in mind, people can be pro and still take interest in the story, so hybrids will not count in your statical information.
http://www.craftnet.nl/MWLR/?locale=gms
Just keep pressing the "Go back in time" right under "GMS online population" until you're satisfied. In fact southperry had something like this but removed it, we had a thread discussing it probably a year or so ago.
Oh my god maplesea is ridiculous, not even 10k players.......
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