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koplje Wrote:You don't know man, Nkmzbvx9 with all default kanna equipment could be a legitimate player you know.
I do quality control verification samples in the field too.
hadriel Wrote:Given that they must have video proof of people hacking in action, and that some players have odd/cryptic IGNs like mine (e.g. cbdccb1; yes people have asked if I'm a hacker or not), they can't freeze characters just because they have names that are very hacker-like. no see this kind of argument is bullpomegranate because
1) not a single one of the two thousand characters I reported has been permanently banned
2) literally 99% of the permanent bans have just been characters that spam ads in the FM.
there is something seriously wrong with the system
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xparasite9 Wrote:I do quality control verification samples in the field too.
no see this kind of argument is bullshit because
1) not a single one of the two thousand characters I reported has been permanently banned
2) literally 99% of the permanent bans have just been characters that spam ads in the FM. Problem is, they don't care if you help them or not. They are just plain lazy.
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xparasite9 Wrote:no see this kind of argument is bullpomegranate because
1) not a single one of the two thousand characters I reported has been permanently banned
2) literally 99% of the permanent bans have just been characters that spam ads in the FM.
there is something seriously wrong with the system
It's their argument, not mine. I'm just restating what they do. I'll agree that they can improve their system a great deal, but I'm not for guilty-until-proven-innocent stance. I would be very, very pissed if I got temp-banned just because cbdccb1 is like a hacker's IGN, and then they release me without recompense.
I don't know how you reported the 2000 characters. Don't look at me, because I have to know how you report it. Did you report it over 200 days? o.O commendable if you did so. I just report as I see them, and I do see hackers getting banned (from the in-game notice, although the text is a little screwed up).
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hadriel Wrote:I don't know how you reported the 2000 characters. Don't look at me, because I have to know how you report it. Did you report it over 200 days?
tickets and emails. I've lost count of how many I've actually reported but 2000 is the most recent.
hadriel Wrote:It's their argument, not mine. I'm just restating what they do. I'll agree that they can improve their system a great deal, but I'm not for guilty-until-proven-innocent stance.
sure, but they aren't even putting forth the effort to go get their proof. I fully understand that my only ability is to give a nudge and a "look over here".
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xparasite9 Wrote:tickets and emails. I've lost count of how many I've actually reported but 2000 is the most recent.
Ahh... ok. Let's just say that those communication media are... unreliable. They may feel the same about your tickets? Who knows. I've seen more efficient services elsewhere.
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80% of the botters that currently bot are Chinese. The other 20% or so are people with private clientless bots, running anywhere from 20-50 bots at once, that sell to the Chinese. A very small number of people find exploits anymore, and an even smaller number are the infamous "hackers playing legit".
It's funny though, that the community just seemed to die when certain trainers and bots started to dwindle off.
On a more personal note, I quit last year and came back a couple months ago. I only logged on to boss however. I got to 203 and now I'm quitting again for good.
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dowie Wrote:Problem is, they don't care if you help them or not. They are just plain lazy.
I think their lazyness lays on verifiying if xparasite is actually a trustworthy source. If htey trusted xparasite they'd just go through with banning the people on the list he sends with little verifications.
I've always wondered, is it so hard for Nexon to develop a tool that would go through verifying current active characters and mark them as possible hackers based on factors like amount of mesos or experience gained over time?. For example, anyone playing legitly would be gaining a "normal" amount of mesos/experience per hour while most botters use hacks they are capable of surpassing that threshold easily. Anyone going above that limit by alot would be marked as a possible botter/hacker for further verification by a GM.
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byakugan Wrote:I think their lazyness lays on verifiying if xparasite is actually a trustworthy source. If htey trusted xparasite they'd just go through with banning the people on the list he sends with little verifications.
I've always wondered, is it so hard for Nexon to develop a tool that would go through verifying current active characters and mark them as possible hackers based on factors like amount of mesos or experience gained over time?. For example, anyone playing legitly would be gaining a"normal" amount of mesos/experience per hour and while most botters use hacks
they are capable of surpassing that threshold easily. Anyone going above that limit by alot would be marked as a possible botter/hacker for further verification by a GM.
Isn't that exactly the same as a player reporting a screenshot or video of a hacker to nexon via mail/ticket? They are possible botter/hackers and need further verification by a GM.
They don't do that.
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kruimel0 Wrote:Isn't that exactly the same as a player reporting a screenshot or video of a hacker to nexon via mail/ticket? They are possible botter/hackers and need further verification by a GM.
They don't do that.
Well they could say that pics can be edited and so can videos so they need to be cautious (lol), but the main problem i see with that is the extra time it must take to first check out what the comunity sends them before checking the player themselves. A tool of the kind I described should be 100% reliable, only giving them an IGN that a GM would then proceed to personally monitor and check things like items, transactions over time and of course training.
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byakugan Wrote:Well they could say that pics can be edited and so can videos so they need to be cautious (lol), but the main problem i see with that is the extra time it must take to first check out what the comunity sends them before checking the player themselves. why though?
why can't they just check it out themselves?
The severe lack of anything but ad bots in the permanent ban lists suggests that they aren't even taking the effort to do that.
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xparasite9 Wrote:why though?
why can't they just check it out themselves?
The severe lack of anything but ad bots in the permanent ban lists suggests that they aren't even taking the effort to do that.
If I were to guess, I'd say they dont want to ban any potential NX spenders because their profits are low due to decreasing playerbase, even if they are hackers.
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byakugan Wrote:If I were to guess, I'd say they dont want to ban any potential NX spenders because their profits are low due to decreasing playerbase, even if they are hackers.
even if they are vbgvbvbvb5 nbvnbv5699 jfkgfdl454 fgjhghkj nm6576 mmn7990 rsldkgnfd dgfvwfdv nbmn766 esr6jrj egzt22Xd5e?
That's pretty desperate and sad.
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xparasite9 Wrote:even if they are vbgvbvbvb5 nbvnbv5699 jfkgfdl454 fgjhghkj nm6576 mmn7990 rsldkgnfd dgfvwfdv nbmn766 esr6jrj egzt22Xd5e?
That's pretty desperate and sad.
Or pretty greedy
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byakugan Wrote:Or pretty greedy 
but those are characters on accounts that will NEVER have nx charged on them
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about hacking and botting though, I give Nexon a tiny bit if credit recently. I visit other forums quite a bit and I know for sure hacks are "almost" dead. so many things were patched, public hacks are pretty much useless. some of the most notorious bots almost never get updated and they're pretty much scamming the people who do pay for it lol. the Chinese mesos farmers sell their bots to the public but they barely even work and crash all the time these last few patches. No delay is completely gone.
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xparasite9 Wrote:even if they are vbgvbvbvb5 nbvnbv5699 jfkgfdl454 fgjhghkj nm6576 mmn7990 rsldkgnfd dgfvwfdv nbmn766 esr6jrj egzt22Xd5e?
That's pretty desperate and sad. Or because they know ultimately banning them will do nothing?
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Jamesie Wrote:Or because they know ultimately banning them will do nothing?
Whereas banning FM spambots does do something?
Because Nexon keeps diligently banning thousands of them every month...
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SaptaZapta Wrote:Whereas banning FM spambots does do something?
Because Nexon keeps diligently banning thousands of them every month... Might be an easier process to ban them.
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