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Luminous doesn't need s'hit tons of equilibrium time to be a top tier class. GMS lumi is proof of that.

Alright thanks. Guess it doesn't matter much since we have that stupid version =/. Imho what should happen is you can use equilibrium when you charge both sides fully and then it takes away from both sides evenly. It would be a really long time in equilibrium but I would say it would balance out since we couldn't do it every 15 seconds or however fast they can do it in KMS.

Yeah, but we'll still get the 1 extra hit. Then again, who use this skill regularly outside of equilibrium really?

It's bloody easy to charge up the gauge. It takes a bloody long time for Equilibrium to end cooldown. That Chinese website just makes me roll my eyes.

Extra hit(s) for Absolute Kill is nice (how many? 1 more hit?), but only being able to use it 15 times during Equilibrium is a major major major major nerf for us, and this limit hits hardest on those of us who hit IAS cap limit and/or break it. edit: noted to be mistaken. Thanks for correcting me, [MENTION=5813]Thorr[/MENTION];.

Why am I even raging about this? I've already uninstalled MS on my computer. Zzzz.

Hadriel

It's bloody easy to charge up the gauge. It takes a bloody long time for Equilibrium to end cooldown. That Chinese website just makes me roll my eyes.

Extra hit(s) for Absolute Kill is nice (how many? 1 more hit?), but only being able to use it 15 times during Equilibrium is a major major major major nerf for us, and this limit hits hardest on those of us who hit IAS cap limit and/or break it.

Why am I even raging about this? I've already uninstalled MS on my computer. Zzzz.

Hadriel

Lumis are still among the easiest if not the easiest class to do hard magnus or solo hell gollux even with the huge nerf, and is still among the top 3 training classes in the game despite that. How can a mage class be that good yet it's entire community begs for literal OP status?

Luminous doesn't need s'hit tons of equilibrium time to be a top tier class. GMS lumi is proof of that.

everyone knows they are top grinders. but they are horrid for boss fights. sure you can hit the minions @ gollux, but i'd rather be evan or f/p. luminous greatly lacking for single target damage.

the initial equilibrium nerf was a slap in the face for any serious luminous, as the most 1v1 damage comes from ender spam during equil. lumi is a great well-rounded class. teleport, heal, bind, and decent damage. but none of the "buffs" to luminous, since reducing equilibrium duration, have equaled that initial nerf.

Why did this thread had to give me cancer?
pineapple.

Why did this thread had to give me cancer?
pineapple.

Umm that's pineappling rude as phuck. Not cute.

O/T I'm so happy to xfer all my nx to my merc from my lumi and other chars XD yay

everyone knows they are top grinders. but they are horrid for boss fights. sure you can hit the minions @ gollux, but i'd rather be evan or f/p. luminous greatly lacking for single target damage.

The first video i ever saw of a hell gollux solo was from a luminous. There was a luminous on this forum who solo'd him with less than 1m range if i remember correctly. Not that that's bad, range isn't everything, but it's certainly a statement. Hard magnus is harder duh, but it's doable, which is my entire point.

People act like luminous can't do anything without ender spam and that's simply not true at all. The fact that they do well without it, given that it's one of if not the the largest DPS/%/s nerf for a class in the entire history of GMS, shows how silly it was to have that kind of availability for such an attack in the first place. Was this point not clear last post?

the initial equilibrium nerf was a slap in the face for any serious luminous, as the most 1v1 damage comes from ender spam during equil. lumi is a great well-rounded class. teleport, heal, bind, and decent damage. but none of the "buffs" to luminous, since reducing equilibrium duration, have equaled that initial nerf.

When was i trying to prove any of this wrong? Seriously.

I seriously have no pineappleing idea what you people are talking about (above post), Luminous nerf?
how much ganja did you people smoke?

I seriously have no pineappleing idea what are you people talking about (above post), Luminous nerf?
how much ganja did you people smoke?

I seriously have no pineappleing idea what you people are talking about (above post), Luminous nerf?
how much ganja did you people smoke?

They're talking about the light/dark system being different in GMS than in KMS. GMS's system is horrible to boss with compared to KMS's.

Extra hit(s) for Absolute Kill is nice (how many? 1 more hit?), but only being able to use it 15 times during Equilibrium is a major major major major nerf for us

How is it a nerf when it has always been true? Maybe you are reading it wrong, but the notes refer to 15 hits, not 15 uses. Every skill in maple is limited to hitting no more than 15 times in one go. 7 Hits doubled to 14 in equilibrium, so it wasn't an issue before but with the added hit, 8 doubles to 16 and gets reduced to 15 because of the hard limit.

Bottom line - there is NO new lumi nerf. Read this again - "Absolute Kill: number of hits has been increased from 7 to 8 (however, in Equilibrium, max number of hits is still 15)"

kobe; the first nerf was when gms equilibrium duration was reduced.
pirateizzy; thanks for pointing out the gms/kms, though this is a gms patch update thread, didnt think certain people needed to differentiate between the two.

takebacker; thinks luminous are a-OK when in fact, and here's the point, their 1v1 bossing dps is laughable.
i looked through a couple dozen luminous hard magnus and hell gollux videos.
impressive videos are from KMS system. GMS videos, not so much.

People act like luminous can't do anything without ender spam and that's simply not true at all. The fact that they do well without it, given that it's one of if not the the largest DPS/%/s nerf for a class in the entire history of GMS, shows how silly it was to have that kind of availability for such an attack in the first place. Was this point not clear last post?

how can you say that, and,

Lumis are still among the easiest if not the easiest class to do hard magnus or solo hell gollux even with the huge nerf, and is still among the top 3 training classes in the game despite that. How can a mage class be that good yet it's entire community begs for literal OP status?

say this?

your statements dont make sense together.

separately, the phantom nerf was far worse. reduction of self buffs, reduction of stolen buffs, reduction of buff duration.
except phantoms got properly rebuffed. luminous do not. so what exactly are you talking about? maybe you're trying to oversell the facts, or, maybe you're trying to make arguments by taking the opposite of popular opinion.

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THIS IS FUCKING KRITIAS MUSIC WHY HAVE THEY NOT FUCKING RELEASED KRITIAS YET?!?!?!?!

I am hoping that the monster HP and Exp changes also affect the base stats of the mobs in EVO. It would be sweet to apply multipliers to them if they were increased the same way.

I noticed that although the new Enchant scrolling thing was shown, we haven't seen anything about the update to Inner Ability. It'd be a shame if we didn't get that as part of this update too, considering they came within the same patch in KMS's You&I update. =/

Still excited for the update though, I'm planning on starting a newbie Explorer and seeing how leveling one to 100 feels post-update. Should be fun! =3

Yut is a strategic game
elite bosses are so tough you 1 shot them

I straight up asked you if the argument was clear dude.

takebacker; thinks luminous are a-OK when in fact, and here's the point, their 1v1 bossing dps is laughable.
i looked through a couple dozen luminous hard magnus and hell gollux videos.
impressive videos are from KMS system. GMS videos, not so much.

Not my argument. I'm not arguing that GMS and KMS lumi compares in dps/%/s. I'm arguing that GMS luminous can perform above or at the level most classes can in high level bossing despite the hard nerf between KMS and GMS. You already proved my point with this comment; GMS videos exist of lumi at hard magnus and hell gollux. Not every class in GMS can do that and still be such a good training class, much less shouldering a 1v1 nerf as bad as lumi nerf was.

how can you say that, and,

say this?

your statements dont make sense together.

Uh. Yeah they do. You're going to need to elaborate.

separately, the phantom nerf was far worse. reduction of self buffs, reduction of stolen buffs, reduction of buff duration.
except phantoms got properly rebuffed. luminous do not. so what exactly are you talking about? maybe you're trying to oversell the facts, or, maybe you're trying to make arguments by taking the opposite of popular opinion.

Bolded: Why i consider lumi nerf > phantom nerf.

I didn't consider the phantom nerf to be as devastating as lumi nerf regardless though. People outright dismissed GMS lumi as trash without looking at tangible results. People still played phantoms seriously after revamp; far more people than those who took up GMS lumi seriously. RED phantom buff launched them into OP status. Lumi didn't get that kind of buff because GMS lumi is already viable but most people pick classes based off %/s threads and so lumis are looked down on.

Your argument seems to be that luminous has bad boss time records compared to those at top level. That may be true, but it doesn't go against what i'm saying. There are a lot of classes that can't touch HM or hell gollux at all. The fact that luminous can shows the nerf doesn't make lumi bottom of the barrel in practice.

Does anyone know if KMS has boxes that like dropped from the monsters to get the coins or was it only for the mini game crap?