Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

Polantaris was in error, really the only person I protected was Kyra because she's the only investigator I trusted. Although again, holypie screwed up and just spilled the entire beans without withholding information or anything to verify both their claims.

So, by error are you saying you accidentally protected him or that he is lying?

Also, most of the "traps" and all are pretty obvious, except to a select few.

I really wonder, I really wonder what happens if you see my role PM. Seriously.

Wow, setting up traps? You could have kept quiet, pretending that you did not read the message, and I would not question further. But did you? DID YOU? Nope, you didn't, which obviously creates a loophole for the liar to escape. Don't blame me for questioning you, I'm just saying what I believe.

"I suggest you listen to US because you people are so oblivious to subtext"

If Khaini was a dictator, I'm sure he will be a good one. Execute me if you must, but I know you are the one.

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Still blaming a dead person?

Illogical. This whole this is illogical and it's frustrating the living f`uck out of me.

1) I DID NOT SEND A PM, I AS THE DOCTOR KNOW THIS.

2) NO ONE HAS CONTRADICTED THIS. DO YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE NO ONE EVER GOT ONE.

All it takes is someone to say they got a visit from the doctor, that's it, and boom my cover is blown. The fact it hasn't happened for the entire frekin day, guess what that means, LEGIT BABY.

And yes, his death does not justify a crucial turning point frekin wasted, or my seething anger from a wasted night.\

So, by error are you saying you accidentally protected him or that he is lying?

Also, most of the "traps" and all are pretty obvious, except to a select few.

I thought it was literally a single day at a time, so during the night of the first day, polantaris was ahead in the votes, I didn't believe he was guilty so I protected him. I didn't know I could change it so I didn't bother and sucked up the mistake. Nor did I know you couldn't protect someone who was being voted in (shidoshi clarified that like 3 days ago)

Illogical. This whole this is illogical and it's frustrating the living f`uck out of me.

1) I DID NOT SEND A PM, I AS THE DOCTOR KNOW THIS.

2) NO ONE HAS CONTRADICTED THIS. DO YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE NO ONE EVER GOT ONE.

All it takes is someone to say they got a visit from the doctor, that's it, and boom my cover is blown. The fact it hasn't happened for the entire frekin day, guess what that means, LEGIT BABY.

And yes, his death does not justify a crucial turning point frekin wasted, or my seething anger from a wasted night.

Did I even say you sent a PM? Did I mention about anyone getting it? No.

All I did was I questioned the post you made "Did anyone get it?" and you came along blaming me for exposing the trap. Wow, fantastic job.

So, by error are you saying you accidentally protected him or that he is lying?

Also, most of the "traps" and all are pretty obvious, except to a select few.

This is perfectly the answer.

And yes, his death does not justify a crucial turning point frekin wasted, or my seething anger from a wasted night.

So now you're blaming me for doing it to him? Because I'm allegedly the mafia? Another failed deduction.

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On another note, seeing page 30 on this thread is quite good, in fact very good as compared to the previous game.

Did I even say you sent a PM? Did I mention about anyone getting it? No.

All I did was I questioned the post you made "Did anyone get it?" and you came along blaming me for exposing the trap. Wow, fantastic job.


This is perfectly the answer.


So now you're blaming me for doing it to him? Because I'm allegedly the mafia? Another failed deduction.

Oh my god

You alluded to me lying about the doctor because I would know the answer Fu`cking DUH.[SIZE=2]

Then I had to explain the trap to you, then follow up with the fact that this is an obvious move on my part

It's impossible for me to be Mafia because you can't even fight on solid footing that I'm not the doctor for christ sake

Or are you going to tell me there is DOCTOR MAFIA. The very basic basic like [/SIZE]primeval logic would mean you would have to disprove me as a doctor to even suggest I'm mafia. I'm trying to tell you, doing such is VERY easy, as it takes ONE person to say they got the PM, NO ONE HAS DONE THIS. The most obvious sabotage would then flip around on them because then I know they would be lying thus revealing the mafia lead. If they did get a PM from me they could recite it to us very clearly couldn't they?

Oh my god

You alluded to me lying about the doctor because I would know the answer Fu`cking DUH.[SIZE=2]

Then I had to explain the trap to you, then follow up with the fact that this is an obvious move on my part

It's impossible for me to be Mafia because you can't even fight on solid footing that I'm not the doctor for christ sake

Or are you going to tell me there is DOCTOR MAFIA. The very basic basic like [/SIZE]primeval logic would mean you would have to disprove me as a doctor to even suggest I'm mafia. I'm trying to tell you, doing such is VERY easy, as it takes ONE person to say they got the PM, NO ONE HAS DONE THIS. The most obvious sabotage would then flip around on them because then I know they would be lying thus revealing the mafia lead. If they did get a PM from me they could recite it to us very clearly couldn't they?

4 words, and that's what I'm going to say to you: So your point being?

I don't even get the meaning of your post. What on earth is a Doctor Mafia? And you do not need to explain to me what you're trying to do. It's perfectly obvious.

Plus, although I mentioned in the previous posts before this page that you might be the mafia/not the real doctor, did I mention it in the previous post on this page? No. That means I'm starting to trust you as a doctor (Although a bad-mouthed, ugly personality some sort of thing).

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Looking back at the posts, I have another suspicion on a person, but I'll wait until it's settled.

Nor did I know you couldn't protect someone who was being voted in (shidoshi clarified that like 3 days ago)

There wouldn't be much of a point if the doctor could protect who is going to get lynched. Everyone knows who is going to get lynched since we can see the votes, its a different matter trying to protect someone from the mafia (as the doctor can't see the votes and has to predict well).

But why would you not bother using you powers to protect someone that you knew would likely get killed, instead of trying to lay a trap like this (which really didn't work out for anyone but the mafia at this point)?

For some reason, I cannot find these on the wikis. But as far as I know, Surgeon is Mafia Doctor, Detective is the conjunction between Cop and Role Cop, and Consigliere is Mafia Detective.

Edit: There's a role that does that, I mean, protects someone from being lynched. It's called the lawyer or something. But if he protects a mafia, both die.

It is called Unlyncher.

Oh, cop is finding out the alignment, detective is finding out the role. My bad.

Whatever, [MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION];. We're not lynching you today anyway, I don't know why you need to keep proving yourself so much. That still doesn't mean you know Kyra is town and not mafia.

Detective is finding out the role completely, INCLUDING allignment.

Detective is finding out the role completely, INCLUDING allignment.

Well I just read from EpicMafia where it said it receives report about a player's role. Didn't say about the alignment, but should be quite obvious.

Are we seriously going to nitpick roles like this? if you want to know what a role is or does, go to the event discussion, it does not add much to the game itself to argue differences in roles.

[MENTION=13694]faonkarino[/MENTION]; role includes alignment you know? And doctor and lawyer would obviously be different.

Also, the flavor games usually have unique rules and powers. While wikis are great and all (never looked at one myself actually), remember that Maspan could have made or tweaked some.

Now would be a good time to put pressure on those AFK.

*cof cof* Corn CakesXD *cof cof*

I would gladly be lynched if Ky isn't mafia.

Holypie was a detective, not a cop, Kyastri posted her result of Olsi first, where holypie confirmed it. Therefore it's obvious she's the cop.

Someone is either bad at lying/covering, or has mixed up their post order.

Or the doctor went for Olsi. Regardless, I was wondering how the hell Meta found the godmother. Now I know. God dammit Meta. I'm not sure how two deaths happened though, because since we lynched Words, VerrKol lost his power. This could be really bad if it's not a one off thing. But anyway onto the day. I got Olsi as innocent, so turns out the whole flavour cop thing was wrong. I guess it worked to deflect suspicion though so that's a plus. Kyrastri when you wake up can you tell us your result?

Was literally the fourth post in the day, after two from you and one from Niernen.

(Sorry >.< Woke up late today, so I'm actually panicking a little D: )

Last night I investigated Olsi; and was told that he was a good apple. I'm assuming that's innocent, so I think I'm a regular cop with no special sanity. Sorry Olsi; I didn't want to push things any further without confirming whether I'm sane or not ):

Don't be fooled into thinking there is no Doctor; like Polantaris, I was visited last night. Unless this is a different skill entirely.

I'll be posting theory when I get to school, unless I disprove myself on the way there.

(Irrelevant, but waking up to 5 notifications make me feel fuzzy inside OTL)

Was literally ten posts later, nearly three hours later. More than enough time to PM their mafiosos and ask what they should say.

I would gladly be lynched if Ky isn't mafia.

Why? How would it help the town at all?

@Ploantaris; So, what's new?

Why? How would it help the town at all?

@Ploantaris; So, what's new?

Didn't see that post, my bad. I think I responded when there was over a page left and I forgot to go back. I'll do that now.

That's not it, you doofus. Thanks for ruining my gambit. You see, Khaini supposedly protected Polantaris and Kyra only, which now are the ones supporting him. If there was someone else saying he got the PM, he could be mafia too.

The only thing I said was that it was likely he's town because of his rage fits yesterday. It's very unlikely mafia would be acting like that. The lack of a doctor action last night further supports that he actually is the doctor, and didn't do anything at all. I know I didn't get a Night PM at all and as far as I can tell no one did. The only possibility is that a mafia member got protected (that'd be terrible), who wouldn't say anything because they want the doctor to get lynched.

I actually caught the error later but shidoshi quickly conceded the error, he didn't bother to check, which brings to question what else he doesn't bother to check.

So did Olsi, which is interesting, considering I think I'd remember who said I was innocent first.

My family is currently over for my sister's birthday so I will not be able to post much for... ~4 hours, probably? Though that may change if people leave early or if I have another chance to check like now.

That being said, though I agree that Kyrastri is suspicious, I'm still not sure what "mafia cop" would entail. I know two people watched Olsi that night but I'm not sure what Kyra's watching would give her if she was mafia, so I'm stuck between agreeing that it'd be weird to have so many watching roles and thinking that it'd be unlikely for the mafia to have such a power. There's also the fact that "mafia cop" was something born out of a misunderstanding Luv had days ago, but I don't think that inherently makes the idea impossible or anything.

A mafia cop could easily post alignment information, it would just be that everyone they investigate is innocent (because they know who to investigate). They would probably get more information about what abilities, if any, the people they investigate have, but that's not information that they would provide to us. It's very possible Kyrastri is a mafia cop, and equally as possible that they are a liar. If they're mafia you can easily play off being a mafia cop cause they know who is innocent so they just play it off that they keep investigating innocents...and if they have enough mafia remaining they can easily bus themselves in by saying they investigated a mafia member. It's a very serious issue.

I really wonder, I really wonder what happens if you see my role PM. Seriously.

Why don't you paraphrase it for us?



@The whole role argument: In the future...why don't we just SAY WHAT WE DO, instead of platypusfooting around titles. If you're going to reveal what you are/what you can do, then say what it is and be done with it. Say what your Role PM says. Don't use a title and act like everyone knows what that means, because clearly they don't, and we shouldn't be relying on a wiki to tell us everything. What if I just edited it to pineapple with you guys? I didn't, but anyone could, and then you check it before someone else fixes it...and now you get the wrong information completely because someone decided to say they're a title instead of just saying what they ACTUALLY were told they do.

Everyone is so full of titles, roles, claims, abilities, lies and slander. All I have is my real life wine and my voting powers. I hope all the mafia dies horrible lynchy deaths.
Either I'm on the right track or I'm being backed by all the mafia, we'll see.

edit: really fucking long post guys, sorry for the wait

TL;DR: I've accepted my death, I want my flavour to scorn you all and let you wallow in guilt, RL I want to throw out all my information at the end of the day and vote for myself with fireworks in the background so you guys can at least accept my information for future lynches. y0y0's words at the start have pretty much inspired a lot of what I've said over the days, so call it the dead coming back to help us

I'm willing to die now that I have a hit and a miss (meaning that someone is guilty, and I've outed a mafia)

We should still have 24 hours?

Lots can change.

I did mention that, and well, lots have. Time to start cracking my farewell speech box open, though nobody's answered if I'm allowed to go out with a bang ):

Actually I'll wait till before bed to post it, but I'll be posting my notes, spreadsheets if I know how, and comments on my posts that I've made so far. I really did find it useful when I was checking Chaotic's notes as well so yeah. Passin' it on

Or maybe I'm the feared double-downer voting apple, OOOOOOoooooOoOoOOOoOOoOooOOo!

I saw this last night but I still crack up laughing today :'D you're brilliant

Kyrasti did not provide new information on the previous day (although the CJ thing may be because the worm was eating an apple, no idea).

I did provide information. I posted my flavour pm, and aside from person changes (it was in second), tense changes (it was in present), and some rewording, it's largely intact. It was everyone's choices as to whether they should believe me, but please do not accuse me of not providing my information.

I cut the part out of your quote that I'm referring to, but I know Khaini has nothing to fear.

My only regret is that I don't adhere to everyone else's schedule since it's being used to incriminate my existing evidence. I had no intention of waking up at 5AM to post. You will see this trend in stopping and starting because I'm Australian, and love sleep. MasPan's already been kind enough to ensure that players like me get to post during a relatively large timeframe. I only miss small 4-5 hour blocks before the end of a day and 3-4 after it (it's holidays now, so I can wake up later = w = sleeping in yus).

I love mafia so far, but I don't like it enough to compromise sleep, sorry.

I hate the fact that the cop is has to investigate a townie to prove innocence. It would be much better if they found mafia than proved townies.

I did investigate mafia, one way or the other. If I am insane, Olsi is mafia. If I am sane, Luv is mafia. If either of them, or anyone else, as solid proof of their innocence then it'd be clear that I am mafia, or am batpomegranate stupid. And knowing me, I've already been batpomegranate stupid this game following a plan that was silently given the ok and now I'm being crucified for it. If you're all going to condemn me, give me an epic layout of my "blunders", damn it ):< From what I see the reasons why I'm being killed off is because 1) I have poor judgement in determining whether things are ok to follow through and 2) I like sleep. I don't know what I expected, actually. Just something a little more... Dramatic, I suppose.

People are still saying I am suspicious, and I would like to know why, as no one has really give any reasons. As far as I know, I have not acted very scummy, and I have been looking out for the town best I can. And still.... Also, no one seems to have even looked at faonkarino;. I'm not saying he is supicious, but no one seems to really mention him (maybe because he was subbed in?)

Personally I don't see the people accusing you. They've accepted your plan, haven't they? Unless they consider this a bussing and thus are suspicious of you. But you've had the intention of helping the town so far, so I don't think you should be worried yet.

And if Kyrasti was the cop, we would lose an important power. However, if Kyrasti was mafia, he would just be feeding us more lies for a day, and we would lose 2 townies before he goes.

(psst you've been spelling my user wrong for a while, just so you know ;D and I'm a chick, not a guy, I didn't want to correct anybody but it bothers me so I've cut out a piece of black paper so I have a moustache now.) pronounsss

Pretty useless to say this now, but I want to rack up the feeling of "oh pomegranate" when you look at these posts in hindsight , so... I am the cop. And it is an important power, but you value two townies over me, which is understandable, given how close we are to LyLo (thanks @Polantaris; for explaining btw, can't remember if I thanked you yet), so I am happy for you all to lynch me. I have a miss and a hit, or a hit and a miss, and I do hope that it'll help you guys out when I'm dead, and my innocence proven.

I would be highly suspicious of Khaini. He has always supported Kyrasti over Holypie (which we now know was a cop). He has not done a great job as a doctor, saving no one, and letting Meta and Holypie die. He has an excuse for Meta, but not one for Holypie. And for some very strange reason, he is still alive, even though he announced he was the doctor. Why wouldn't the Mafia target the doctor over a cop? If they kill the doctor, no one could protect the cop. And why, for gods sake, wouldn't the doctor protect Holypie, who we all knew was a cop with CJ's death? The more I look at it, the more suspicious it looks. I propose we lynch Kyrasti, and if he is mafia, then Khaini. If Kyrasti is not mafia, then he was probably telling the truth, and LuvDWayULie would be the next canidate.

I do not believe Khaini is not mafia, and he and everyone else who has been supportive of me will be on the higher ground, so to speak, once I'm dead. Much rage will be had in the discussion thread if you all start to wiffle waffle trying to backtrack, I'm just putting it out there. >:c I accept your votes for me, but I will not accept a weak belief. You need strength to kill. If you are not willing to suffer the consequences when I die, then do not vote for me.

We're at a majority right now, anyway, and I myself will be voting for myself (flavour wise, call it being fed up with false accusations RL, I just want to steer you guys with what I have, and if dying is the way to do it, then I'll give up the investigation for TheBirds.)

If Khaini's belief that the mafia is pomegranate this game, which I can't actually verify anyway, as I've never played and the previous games haven't had nearly as much discussion as this, then there's your explanation.

Also, since it is highly unlikely we will be able to investigate TheBirds; what do we do about him? Ignore him and avoid lynching him? Because it could be possible he is doing all this just so we don't vote for him, in a reverse psychology kind of way.

TheBirds is the only one I can't reach with investigations in this state, and unfortunately the most suspicious to me. Personally I would push for the lynch, but we're getting close to LyLo so it's up to you guys.

Polantaris voting on Kyra right after Shidoshi? Shidoshi, which I suspect, trying to kill Kyra which is supposedly a cop and which I believe?

Well, this makes things much, much clearer to me. [Vote] LuvDWayULie

Edit: @Niernen I believed HolyPie was a cop since day two. The only one I have not believed at all since his claim was Meta, cause, well, he doing the SAME gambit yet again was too predictable.

About TheBirds, we weren't going to vote on him (at least I wouldn't, and I gathered you wouldn't too) if he stayed silent, so it doesn't make sense that he started to post while showing off such strange behaviour only to get people to not vote on him, since they would not vote on him either way. But we have bigger fish to catch, and I'm not giving in to some randomic nonsense.

Thanks for believing in me (cue anime soundtrack?), but I think we've already reached the majority. I'll be dying knowing full well that the probability of those who have voted for me yet are mafia, so call it a happle () death.

I admit I was naive to believe Meta... I really wanted to believe, you know? I am glad it worked out better this time around, but it was a real shame she was killed. Which does beg the question, why did the mafia even bother to target Meta? At that she was the only one with tangible information, and the doctor would have the interest to protect our most valuable information yet, yet they tried to kill her anyway. Either it was a surprisingly intense WIFOM or it was straight linear thinking, which would have defeated yomi 2/3.

damn it Khaini, I felt really smart having those revelations, only to find out that he thought them and posted before me >_> much rage

granted, I did post the eating theory first so... yeah. take that, I'm not completely useless?

Thanks for believing in me Q n Q

One word: mafia cop.

those were two words, missy/dude >:c

And, well, I can't really refute that. I've already been assigned my fate, have I not?

Holypie was a detective, not a cop, Kyastri posted her result of Olsi first, where holypie confirmed it. Therefore it's obvious she's the cop.

Unless you meant flavour PM, Holypie posted his results first.

My family is currently over for my sister's birthday so I will not be able to post much for... ~4 hours, probably? Though that may change if people leave early or if I have another chance to check like now.

That being said, though I agree that Kyrastri is suspicious, I'm still not sure what "mafia cop" would entail. I know two people watched Olsi that night but I'm not sure what Kyra's watching would give her if she was mafia, so I'm stuck between agreeing that it'd be weird to have so many watching roles and thinking that it'd be unlikely for the mafia to have such a power. There's also the fact that "mafia cop" was something born out of a misunderstanding Luv had days ago, but I don't think that inherently makes the idea impossible or anything.

It does beg the question since you haven't mentioned it yet, who did you watch last night?

I'm done defending myself since anything more would be parroting what I've already said, but you do have a point that Role cops aren't impossible.

Wow, setting up traps? You could have kept quiet, pretending that you did not read the message, and I would not question further. But did you? DID YOU? Nope, you didn't, which obviously creates a loophole for the liar to escape. Don't blame me for questioning you, I'm just saying what I believe.

That's hindsight at this point; I have a feeling that you would have taken any answer for offense. I don't blame you, honestly I came to the same conclusion as well. But don't start fighting again, please.

Still blaming a dead person?

I have always been iffy on referring to the dead but do NOT drag dirt onto this game. There is a reason why he posted on the discussion thread, if Khaini, or if anyone else wanted to refute it they will do so on the discussion thread only. There is a reason why they are segregated here.

4 words, and that's what I'm going to say to you: So your point being?

His point being that it is very easy to disprove him as doctor, which you will need to do first to allege that he is mafia. Unless you are claiming he is a Doctor Mafia, in which case he seems to be at a loss for words.

(Although a bad-mouthed, ugly personality some sort of thing).

He had the responsibility to keep a level tone, but making insults like this will not help. Just keep wary of how you're wording things, it's very easy to get fed up/pissed off/very pissed off at you, when you don't mean any harm.

Looking back at the posts, I have another suspicion on a person, but I'll wait until it's settled.

I want to know before I die, damn it >:c

call it one of my dying wishes

Was literally ten posts later, nearly three hours later. More than enough time to PM their mafiosos and ask what they should say.

I've addressed this before, but if I posted at like 1PM aust time, I would accept that as a grounds for suspicion. at 8AM, on a day I woke up late for school? Sorry.