Bad Apple Mafia - Mafia Victory

I would be careful when you use quotes ("message") to stick words in other people's mouths. That is very scum-ish thing to do. I never said "wait for more things to happen." The quote above I specifically said we should go after those who are not active to draw people out (Which I think we agree on) . My main reason for being cautious is that I don't want to lose someone early in the game that we may need much later (I also worry about double votes and such). I do want to point out along with those you mentioned, I notice people are quiet when it comes to CakesXD and others.

Right now I will [vote] Verrkol. To make things "happen."

Apologies. I'm somewhat new to Mafia and am just trying to get a feel for the situation.

Agreed with Shidoshi that KhainiWest and Niernen look a mite suspicious, but I'm going to hold off until everyone ([MENTION=5147]Sega[/MENTION] has had a chance to at least voice their opinions.

Usually you vote for people not talking to get them to speak up thus making things "happen". I'm already talking, but whatever. Have fun.

[Vote]: MasPan because apples have no gods.

In seriousness, I just wanted to make sure I redacted my previous vote. I'll review what's happened in the morning and hopefully find something suspicious.

EDIT: Can we get everyone to state their names? I'm Sour Sheila (howdy y'all)

Oh hi Sheila, I'm Goldy

Usually you vote for people not talking to get them to speak up thus making things "happen". I'm already talking, but whatever. Have fun.

It depends on what you want to happen, at this point we have a 2/2/2 for you (Verrkol), Nolynch/Holypie, and Sega. You can get some interesting information for later if you force people to choose sides since most of us are talking at this point.

[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION]; You have a vote for no lynch and Holypie, make sure unbold/strike one of them.

It depends on what you want to happen, at this point we have a 2/2/2 for you (Verrkol), Nolynch/Holypie, and Sega. You can get some interesting information for later if you force people to choose sides since most of us are talking at this point.

LuvDWayULie; You have a vote for no lynch and Holypie, make sure unbold/strike one of them.

Right, I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder

Fresh is best

Hands off!

Strong suspicions, I definitely agree with. Even semi-strong suspicions. However, if I only slightly suspect someone with barely anything to support my suspicion, I'm more likely to create some confirmation bias instead, which works against us.

See, this is exactly why I don't like revealing small suspicions. I do it once, and now I'm getting voted for. I only had slight suspicions of him based on a good point others brought up, which he has since addressed himself and I have since stopped suspecting. There was a good point brought up, but ganging up on a guy over one point is illogical, which is why I didn't do it. Then he addressed it himself earlier and now I'm back to watching. Right now there's no one that I suspect enough to bring up anymore, and I'm defending that line of thinking against the people who think we should blurt out every single thought that comes to your mind about people (at least, that's how I took it). At the time there was a good point brought up on Holypie.

Pointing out suspicions is the name of the game. If you start getting voted for it, prove your innocence. Convince them that they are in the wrong for their vote. Holding back thoughts and information because you're scared of dying isn't helping the town at all.

I strongly stand by the idea that no thought is unimportant. The second you start second guessing yourself and writing off thoughts as irrelevant is the second you start letting the mafia slip by you. The more you keep thoughts to yourself, the more you're going to believe (or others are going to believe, if nobody else has said anything either) that their beliefs are in the wrong. Small details are how you know when the mafia starts slipping up. Pointing fingers and throwing out ideas or suspicions are, in my opinion, a vital aspect of that. I suppose this could still be argued extensively, but I digress. I don't really think I need to say anything else because it's not exactly helping anything - I could be using this time to scumhunt more.

Either way, it feels to me like you're being a bit too unnecessarily defensive and scared, and it's starting to seem like you're a bit of a mafia.


I'm...Craig? I only remember that because I was going to photoshop a picture of a blue chullo hat on an apple but got too lazy.
Crabapple craig.

edit: I'm not going to take that out, but saying our names might be a bit detrimental? There's the possibility that names are tied to power roles and I don't want to see the town die because they say their name.
Sour Sheila, for instance, seems like an awfully suspicious name.

[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION]; [MENTION=8732]VerrKol[/MENTION];

Hiya I'm Gilded Gilly, nice to meet you!

Either way, it feels to me like you're being a bit too unnecessarily defensive and scared, and it's starting to seem like you're a bit of a mafia.

It has nothing to do with being scared. It has to do with causing people to get lynched over very little to nothing. Most people are not mafia, but how exactly would anyone prove it on Day 1? You pretty much can't, which is exactly why I don't throw around accusations like they're pennies. More than a few people have gotten lynched in other games because they had one thought others didn't like, or supported a bad lynch. Good information doesn't hurt the town, but bad information certainly does.

Convince them that they are in the wrong for their vote. Holding back thoughts and information because you're scared of dying isn't helping the town at all.

I tried to convince them, which apparently just supported your opinion that I was mafia. See what I mean? I told exactly what my thought process was. People brought up a good point. I agreed, but not enough to vote for anyone. The person defended themselves logically, and my thought of them changed. I said everything that was coming to my mind, and that makes me scared, somehow. You want people to talk, I did. Now that's being used against me.

And of course I would be defensive. Why wouldn't I be? I want to live, don't I? If I'm not going to be defensive that's far worse. It's basically submitting to a lynch. I should always be defensive, everyone should be. We saw what happened when people became submissive to lynches. And if I go the opposite course and start going after others to try and take the eyes off of me, isn't that confirming being a mafia as well? Trying to shift blame and get other people killed instead of me is far worse than being submissive. You told me in your own post I should defend myself, then attack me for defending myself? What kind of nonsense is that?

Day 1 is the worst day. I agree with a No Lynch vote unless there are spectacular circumstances, because of this exact reason. It's too easy to start blaming everyone, over little to nothing, when the majority of people are not mafia. You're looking at me, suspicious of me, meanwhile the mafia are sitting around and waiting for this day to end. They're biding their time, and you're letting them. They don't need any lynches to win, and as long as you suspect someone that's not mafia they don't need to do a thing.

As an FYI, my name is Ricky Rojo, since everyone is revealing their names apparently.

Then change something about the way you handle those situations. If your defense isn't working, come at it from a different angle. If your suspicions are drawing too much attention then present them differently.
You can't just reside yourself to being a nonfactor because one situation didn't work out.
Sometimes you can be defensive by being aggressive. It's not always just reacting to a vote with blind OMGUS.

My name is Ruffalo, how are you guys?

Then change something about the way you handle those situations. If your defense isn't working, come at it from a different angle. If your suspicions are drawing too much attention then present them differently.
You can't just reside yourself to being a nonfactor because one situation didn't work out.
Sometimes you can be defensive by being aggressive. It's not always just reacting to a vote with blind OMGUS.

You're offering a lot of advice, are you confident who you guide is your ally?

Then change something about the way you handle those situations. If your defense isn't working, come at it from a different angle. If your suspicions are drawing too much attention then present them differently.
You can't just reside yourself to being a nonfactor because one situation didn't work out.
Sometimes you can be defensive by being aggressive. It's not always just reacting to a vote with blind OMGUS.

There's absolutely nothing that says that my defense didn't help against the person I defended against. The defense that you went after wasn't even aimed at you, you didn't claim against me until you quoted it.

I can't defend myself against a front I don't know exists. You responded to a defense that wasn't aimed at you and used it to place further unnecessary blame against me.

you guys are rood

I would be careful when you use quotes ("message") to stick words in other people's mouths. That is very scum-ish thing to do. I never said "wait for more things to happen." The quote above I specifically said we should go after those who are not active to draw people out (Which I think we agree on) . My main reason for being cautious is that I don't want to lose someone early in the game that we may need much later (I also worry about double votes and such). I do want to point out along with those you mentioned, I notice people are quiet when it comes to CakesXD and others.

Right now I will [vote] Verrkol. To make things "happen."

To be fair that's the vibe that I got from that post too. Maybe not waiting until the last minute or whatever, but just waiting to see if something interesting happens. Since like the only thing that's happening is yoshi trying to teach Polantris, and Khaini doing whatever he's doing, waiting isn't really working out so well.

You're offering a lot of advice, are you confident who you guide is your ally?

Not really.
It's kind of open opinions/advice for everyone, even if it's more aimed at polantaris.

Polantaris: that's a bit of a defeatist attitude, and that's all I'm saying. Taking up too much of this thread on a pointless, off-topic discussion.

Note: my intentions weren't really "teaching" so much as "seeing how this could play out"

[MENTION=2796]y0y0y0y0shi0[/MENTION];

To try and help prove that I'm innocent (plus now it's really bugging me as of the last two posts from him): What exactly is KhainiWest doing? Every post has been pointless, except the second most recent one which seemed to be more to fan the flames than anything else.

y0y0y0y0shi0;

To try and help prove that I'm innocent (plus now it's really bugging me as of the last two posts from him): What exactly is KhainiWest doing? Every post has been pointless, except the second most recent one which seemed to be more to fan the flames than anything else.

There's always gold nuggets in dirt, there's a really really big hint in the last 3 posts I've made, but if you weren't so rude you would see it

There's always gold nuggets in dirt, there's a really really big hint in the last 3 posts I've made, but if you weren't so rude you would see it

Nope, but I've never been good on the subtext.

Nope, but I've never been good on the subtext.

Then lets break it down, find the reason why I'm suggesting you're rude, hone in on it and think what specific detail that gives me opportunity for subtext and think realll hard why that detail is extremely relevant.

Is spelling out hints frowned upon?

and I have since stopped suspecting.

Except your never stated that in your posts until now.
I'll say it again because people seem to ignore my posts, voting for someone doesn't mean they're gonna get lynched. You're just fishing for reactions, hoping that a mafia slips and makes day 1 a win for us. I'm still suspicious of you because of the way you're reacting and claiming that "you weren't suspicious of HolyPie anymore" so I'll keep my vote, at least for now.
As for everyone else I @mentioned in my previous post, except HolyPie, I want to hear more of as I'm still not sure what they're doing and how to feel about them.
[MENTION=4235]KhainiWest[/MENTION]; hints kinda suck in this game. Someone might get what you're trying to say but that doesn't mean it will all be believable or that we know exactly how it will play out later. Not to mention those who won't get what you're trying to say. Talking makes you take a stance and everyone can tell more from that, either what you post is good for the town or isn't, instead of some obscure hint that just looks ambiguous.

Ah thanks for the advice, I understand how the board is set now