With the new KMS updates

That's what I said F3...

His quoting caught you before you edited it, lulz.

Well, I'm not sure if either translation is accurate, I'll wait for Fiel on that, but the original post in the thread states that Demolition could be used in Transformation, and with enough Bucs, that's 100% of the time using Demolition, so it gets pretty dam close.

Again, I'ma wait for Fiel to show the true extraction.

Not happening. Even if transformed 100% of the time, Buccaneers can't match the strength of a Hero, DrK, or any ranged class (on bosses). Comparing Demolition to Cannon isn't even fair. Demolition barely outdamages Rapid Fire.

Buccaneers have it similar to NLs. Their damage is very mediocre without SE and their intrinsic crit skill (Stun Mastery).

Buccaneers have it similar to NLs. Their damage is very mediocre without SE and their intrinsic crit skill (Stun Mastery).

Only when training and become extremely strong, obviously.

Sure brandish is strong but sorry if I don't see how you guys say brandish outdmgs demolition... Seiishiko was hittin over 20ks with unmaxed demo in his video. His apple'd damage almost brought it over 30k.

Putting the fact that he's funded out the ass and probably (and by probably i mean 96% sure) using apples, demo is too slow for it to out damage brandish.

Putting the fact that he's funded out the ass and probably (and by probably i mean 96% sure) using apples, demo is too slow for it to out damage brandish.

He used apples at pap and pianus and was unappled at skeles.

He used apples at pap and pianus and was unappled at skeles.

Point still stands i guess. It's too slow. ^-^

I really wish u guys would jus believe me . Now I'm gonna end up making a demo vs brandish video.

I really wish you were right, rofl. :/

You can use Brandish over 3 times (3 times exactly with a slow (7) weapon, nearly 4 times with a fast (4) weapon) in the time it takes to Demolition once. Base damage for Heroes is a good 20% or so higher, usually. I don't see how Demo could be stronger.

With SI 11, Demo takes 1.8 seconds to cast. I don't think you can do 4 Brandishes in 1.8 seconds.

With SI 11, Demo takes 1.8 seconds to cast. I don't think you can do 4 Brandishes in 1.8 seconds.

It takes 2.34. Where the hell did you get 1.8?

Also, SI 11 doesn't do anything beyond the effects of SI 1 for the Buccaneer.

Edit: Oh wait, you've been reading up on Devil's stuff. -Sigh-

well apples effect us more so maybe thats enough to even things out .

This is sweet! Now I'll actually use transform.

To DrRusty: So I'm so confused at what I should do with the whole Energy Blast 21, Drain 11, or Shockwave 21 situation. Every second post you are bashing it and praising it in another. What do I do?! Halp

This is sweet! Now I'll actually use transform.

To DrRusty: So I'm so confused at what I should do with the whole Energy Blast 21, Drain 11, or Shockwave 21 situation. Every second post you are bashing it and praising it in another. What do I do?! Halp

Well, before I had dragon strike at a good level, all I could see was the sped up shockwave with wind booster. Now that dragon strike is higher than lvl 1, shockwave seems useless yet again. Now with the KMST updates, dragon strike is sped up AND can be used while transformed. So.... shockwave is good in 3rd job and 3rd job only basically.

I like my max drain/blast and I wouldnt have it any other way.

Well, before I had dragon strike at a good level, all I could see was the sped up shockwave with wind booster. Now that dragon strike is higher than lvl 1, shockwave seems useless yet again. Now with the KMST updates, dragon strike is sped up AND can be used while transformed. So.... shockwave is good in 3rd job and 3rd job only basically.

I like my max drain/blast and I wouldnt have it any other way.

Screw shockwave for me then.

I want to know how fast/delay shortened these skills are now though. Dragon strike didn't even seem to have any delay at all. Maybe they reduced the animation?

Screw shockwave for me then.

I want to know how fast/delay shortened these skills are now though. Dragon strike didn't even seem to have any delay at all. Maybe they reduced the animation?

Probably. Dragon Strike's long animation made up for the delay.

Probably. Dragon Strike's long animation made up for the delay.

Barrage has long animation and long delay, though. They probably made it as long as DU's or something.

Well, before I had dragon strike at a good level, all I could see was the sped up shockwave with wind booster. Now that dragon strike is higher than lvl 1, shockwave seems useless yet again. Now with the KMST updates, dragon strike is sped up AND can be used while transformed. So.... shockwave is good in 3rd job and 3rd job only basically.

I like my max drain/blast and I wouldnt have it any other way.

So would that mean Blast is only good in 3rd job too in the same way as shockwave? If so, I'll go Drain and Shockwave then.

So would that mean Blast is only good in 3rd job too in the same way as shockwave? If so, I'll go Drain and Shockwave then.

Blast is still useful. It's faster for killing weak left over mobs.