With the new KMS updates

Could Buccaneers now be close to top of the spectrum bossers? In KMST, you can now use Demolition in regular Transform, too. That means, with 4 Bucs with at least 26 TL + A DK + A Bish would be the ultimate bossing party, because at that point, Bucs would be Demolitioning 100% of the time.

Discuss.

Demolition 24/7? yes plox.

I thought that was a mistranslation.

Uh.. actually, you got the translation wrong.

Pirates:
You can now use double fire, oak barrel, snitch, and demolition while transformed (Transform AND Super Transform)

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You can now use skills except for double fire, oak barrel, snitch, and demolition while transformed.

You can now use skills except for double fire, oak barrel while super transformed.

Ahhh crap. Well, for those that like being transformed, barrage all the time could be useful (especially if you went barrage first in 4th and dont have demolition).

It's not all that bad. Transform has gone from being pretty much useless to really useful.

I thought it was proven long ago skills like Canon rape demolition at bosses. NL damage isn't far off so it's still not that great compared to them.

I thought it was proven long ago skills like Canon rape demolition at bosses. NL damage isn't far off so it's still not that great compared to them.

Well, I'm not sure if either translation is accurate, I'll wait for Fiel on that, but the original post in the thread states that Demolition could be used in Transformation, and with enough Bucs, that's 100% of the time using Demolition, so it gets pretty dam close.

Again, I'ma wait for Fiel to show the true extraction.

Again, I'ma wait for Fiel to show the true extraction.

The original translation doesn't really make sense compared to what Serendipity said, when you think about it. Why would they let you use double shot and oak barrel when transformed but nothing else.

For Transform I'm seeing additional pixel art for the following: DoubleUpper, BackSpinBlow, DragonStrike, Energy Orb, Fist, Recovery, Screw Punch, Somersault, and Straight

Well, I'm not sure if either translation is accurate, I'll wait for Fiel on that, but the original post in the thread states that Demolition could be used in Transformation, and with enough Bucs, that's 100% of the time using Demolition, so it gets pretty dam close.

Again, I'ma wait for Fiel to show the true extraction.

That doesn't matter as the calculation is showing pure percentages based on skills being used i.e. a DPS thread, much like the one in this forum's "Training Grounds" section.

If your DPS is lower than another classes, making the time longer doesn't increase your DPS at all.

That doesn't matter as the calculation is showing pure percentages based on skills being used i.e. a DPS thread, much like the one in this forum's "Training Grounds" section.

If your DPS is lower than another classes, making the time longer doesn't increase your DPS at all.

It certainly would for a skill that you can't use 100% of the time currently.

It's been proven that if you could Demolition 100% of the time, you'd still be weaker than everyone else. So how does making you able to Demolition 75% of the time help at all?

It's been proven that if you could Demolition 100% of the time, you'd still be weaker than everyone else. So how does making you able to Demolition 75% of the time help at all?

Show me the facts that demolitioning 100% of the time would still be weaker, sir. Show me the facts, please.

Also, where in the world did I bring up ANYTHING about 75% of the time, mmm?

Fiel said the artwork for transform using normal skills were in the data.

Transform just became awesome though!! Now I can get free haste when traveling AND while training!! Yippee

Seriously though, having dragon strike and barrage's dealys reduced is sweeet. (Now we can use faster dragon strike when transformed XD. So glad I got drain instead of shockwave)

Show me the facts that demolitioning 100% of the time would still be weaker, sir. Show me the facts, please.

Also, where in the world did I bring up ANYTHING about 75% of the time, mmm?

Look at the numbers. I assume you've passed middle school math, yes?

(Makes up DPM numbers)

Demolition DPM = 7m
Hurricane DPM = 9m

Over a course of 10 minutes DPM is as followed

Demolition = 7m * 5 minutes (50% time)
Demolition = 7m * 7.5 minutes (75% of the time)
Demolition = 7m * 10 minutes (100% of the time)
Hurricane DPM = 9m * 10 minutes (100% of the time)

Do you now see why this doesn't really change anything in relation to most other bossers?

@ 75% of the time thing: Read the changes thread some more. (or even this thread. The correction is quoted here) The TS made an error. You can't use demolition/snatch in normal transform, only super transform.

Look at the numbers. I assume you've passed middle school math, yes?

(Makes up DPM numbers)

Demolition DPM = 7m
Hurricane DPM = 9m

Over a course of 10 minutes DPM is as followed

Demolition = 7m * 5 minutes (50% time)
Hurricane DPM = 9m * 10 minutes (100% of the time)

Do you now see why this doesn't really change anything in relation to most other bossers?

@ 75% of the time thing: Read the changes thread some more. (or even this thread. The correction is quoted here) The TS made an error. You can't use demolition/snatch in normal transform, only super transform.

It's a 20m deficit over 10 mins (with the 100% demolition(, which does seem drastic, yes, but you said you made up the numbers. In reality, that would not nearly be the same over 10 mins, though, because certainly damage does not reach to that height in 10 mins, does it?

Let's just end it here: Transform will no longer be a useless skill.

>:O! pineappleING SWEET! I can't wait for this to come to JMS. I'm guessing Energy Orb will also be available with S. Transform at least? That's pineappleing epic. I hope it's released in JMS soon. XP

It's a 20m deficit over 10 mins (with the 100% demolition(, which does seem drastic, yes, but you said you made up the numbers. In reality, that would not nearly be the same over 10 mins, though, because certainly damage does not reach to that height in 10 mins, does it?

Let's just end it here: Transform will no longer be a useless skill.

Actually those numbers are pretty close to what i got in my misconception thread, but dusk's numbers would be a better choice.

Damage certainly does reach that height in 10 minutes. It would even go higher if godly funded. Loooped killing pap in 2:20 or something means he must have a DPM of what? Like 11.5m or something? Not the same class as what we're talking about, but it does reach that high regardless.

Obviously, that's the whole point of the buccaneer changes i guess. I'm a bit sad it might be considered over the energy build, yet relieved they didn't reduce it's cooldown at the same time.

Actually those numbers are pretty close to what i got in my misconception thread, but dusk's numbers would be a better choice.

Damage certainly does reach that height in 10 minutes. It would even go higher if godly funded. Loooped killing pap in 2:20 or something means he must have a DPM of what? Like 11.5m or something? Not the same class as what we're talking about, but it does reach that high regardless.

Obviously, that's the whole point of the buccaneer changes i guess. I'm a bit sad it might be considered over the energy build, yet relieved they didn't reduce it's cooldown at the same time.

I'll agree with you there. Buccaneers were pretty under-average for DPS compared to their attack strength, so I guess decreasing the delay time and stuff for Barrage is quite helpful

These new changes are awesome, either way.

I'll agree with you there. Buccaneers were pretty under-average for DPS compared to their attack strength, so I guess increasing the delay time and stuff for Barrage is quite helpful

These new changes are awesome, either way.

You mean decreasing... O_o

You mean decreasing... O_o

That's what I said F3...