v.144 - RED: Zero Update Highlights

very sad because theres no news about anything new aside zero... well

also lol alpha has bubbleB... and I feel bad for noticing it

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 the Mathy stuff

+10% EXP... barring spirit pendant and stuff because idk how they stack, that's like killing 11 mobs with a 10-mob skill, or killing 1 more mob in the time it takes for you to kill 10 mobs. 10% looks miniscule, sure, but telescope it and it becomes so significant. It is the most, most ultimate DPS-equivalent increasing bonus on its own compared with everything else in your control (I say that because the spawn tick change from 10 seconds to 4 seconds is not within your control, even though it theoretically increases EXP gain rate by 150% if you kill everything in sight in 4 seconds).

I need 0. ASAP. Preferably not behind a period.

Hadriel

it theoretically increases EXP gain rate by 150% if you kill everything in sight in 4 seconds)

Can you imagine how fast low levels would train if we still had Twisted Jesters at 1325 exp and the 4 second spawn tick? Add Mercedes link and Zero card for total sickness... (Jesters specifically to your point because if you train in the Toy Room, you will almost always clear the room in 4 seconds.)

And not to be totally obvious, but also:
NLC Aliens @ 3000 Exp + 4 second spawn + Kanna spawn + Merc Link + Zero Card.

I'm like...
Not excited at all...
I hope there is more than just zero ._.

How is the mirror world exp compared to the normal world?

I mean you won't have MPE, Evo World, DiPQ, SDH, HoH (until 180). Right?

One more question. Can anyone that has played Zero to a significant level (at least to 178) give me an idea of how long it takes to level up to 178? Im looking to knock this sucker out as quick as possible, and was wondering just how much of the leveling experience is quests. I'd also like to know how effective 2x exp cards, buffs, etc are in regards to the dungeons, if the majority of the exp comes from the monsters or from completing the dungeon itself.

Can you imagine how fast low levels would train if we still had Twisted Jesters at 1325 exp and the 4 second spawn tick? Add Mercedes link and Zero card for total sickness... (Jesters specifically to your point because if you train in the Toy Room, you will almost always clear the room in 4 seconds.)

And not to be totally obvious, but also:
NLC Aliens @ 3000 Exp + 4 second spawn + Kanna spawn + Merc Link + Zero Card.

There are very few Ultimate-tier spammable skills, most notable one being DS's Demon Cry. Oh that gives 30% bonus EXP too!

It's very difficult to clear a full map of spawn with Kishin Shoukan on in 4 seconds because 1) you don't move far and fast enough, especially if the map is big like ToT, 2) your skills don't reach a wide-enough area which makes Ultimates very valuable, and 3) your skills have too long a delay, cooldown and/or don't hit enough mobs.

Someone should do some numbers for Future Perion golems map (the one I heard has crazy spawn) with Kishin Shoukan and all the EXP stuff in, 1-hitting the mobs with Demon Cry.

Hadriel

 the Mathy stuff

+10% EXP... barring spirit pendant and stuff because idk how they stack, that's like killing 11 mobs with a 10-mob skill, or killing 1 more mob in the time it takes for you to kill 10 mobs. 10% looks miniscule, sure, but telescope it and it becomes so significant. It is the most, most ultimate DPS-equivalent increasing bonus on its own compared with everything else in your control (I say that because the spawn tick change from 10 seconds to 4 seconds is not within your control, even though it theoretically increases EXP gain rate by 150% if you kill everything in sight in 4 seconds).

I need 0. ASAP. Preferably not behind a period.

Hadriel

Going off this, Zero's level 200 character card effect and Mercedes level 2 link skill together is 25% bonus exp. That cuts training time on mobs by a quarter, which is.. badass.

I don't usually get characters to level 200. Very tempted to do so for Zero though.

There are very few Ultimate-tier spammable skills, most notable one being DS's Demon Cry. Oh that gives 30% bonus EXP too!

It's very difficult to clear a full map of spawn with Kishin Shoukan on in 4 seconds because 1) you don't move far and fast enough, especially if the map is big like ToT, 2) your skills don't reach a wide-enough area which makes Ultimates very valuable, and 3) your skills have too long a delay, cooldown and/or don't hit enough mobs.

Someone should do some numbers for Future Perion golems map (the one I heard has crazy spawn) with Kishin Shoukan and all the EXP stuff in, 1-hitting the mobs with Demon Cry.

Hadriel

What if you consdier evo link 3? That's a very easy map to clear wen all the mobs come towards you. I usally clear them all before the spawn tick if I give my characters some pretty nice gear. [I know my hero was clearly out 20x hp at 70% spawn core before the spawn tick, but I sorta cheated by using a ton of att modifers such as alch stat potions and a gelt]

Greatest exp i had for 20 mins.

Guess I'll be getting a Zero to 200

Zero in itself is a very interesting addition, even if we've all seen it already. Having it alone seems fine IMO.

On Commerci, I'd rather they fix everything than release it early. Knowing Nexon, though, it will probably still be buggy as hell in January.

I also have an unexplained need to get a Zero char to level 200. One would even say "hyped".

What if you consdier evo link 3? That's a very easy map to clear wen all the mobs come towards you. I usally clear them all before the spawn tick if I give my characters some pretty nice gear. [I know my hero was clearly out 20x hp at 70% spawn core before the spawn tick, but I sorta cheated by using a ton of att modifers such as alch stat potions and a gelt]

Greatest exp i had for 20 mins.

Golems is 130k per kill. 20x HP Link 3 mob doesn't quite approach that number, though I don't know the spawn count there. You probably won't be training at Evo 3 at level 205 unless you wanted coins...?

I might just try for lvl 200 on Zero. Too bad I used up cbdccb0 already. Nvm I'll make cbdccb00 lol. It sounds like a hacker-made IGN.

Hadriel

Golems is 130k per kill. 20x HP Link 3 mob doesn't quite approach that number, though I don't know the spawn count there. You probably won't be training at Evo 3 at level 205 unless you wanted coins...?

I might just try for lvl 200 on Zero. Too bad I used up cbdccb0 already. Nvm I'll make cbdccb00 lol. It sounds like a hacker-made IGN.

Hadriel

Lol yea evo isnt that great after 180 [even though I trained my DS from 100 to 187 on evo alone, no HoH or lionheart castle. I liked solo training a lot]

But for all your alts you can transfer gear to,I think it would make a significant difference though? Esp if you trying to spam your way to 170 asap.

There are very few Ultimate-tier spammable skills, most notable one being DS's Demon Cry. Oh that gives 30% bonus EXP too!

It's very difficult to clear a full map of spawn with Kishin Shoukan on in 4 seconds because 1) you don't move far and fast enough, especially if the map is big like ToT, 2) your skills don't reach a wide-enough area which makes Ultimates very valuable, and 3) your skills have too long a delay, cooldown and/or don't hit enough mobs.

Someone should do some numbers for Future Perion golems map (the one I heard has crazy spawn) with Kishin Shoukan and all the EXP stuff in, 1-hitting the mobs with Demon Cry.

Hadriel

Well if you're 1 hitting the entire map you'll be also be limited by how fast you can get rid of all the crap on the ground. Can't really move at all if you leave them sitting on the ground.
When I was training 80% of the time was spent killing and 20% of the time spent teleporting to other maps to get rid of stupid Golem etc.

1-hitting the mobs with Demon Cry.

Hadriel

Doesn't the exp effect not apply if you ohko with it?

One more question. Can anyone that has played Zero to a significant level (at least to 178) give me an idea of how long it takes to level up to 178? Im looking to knock this sucker out as quick as possible, and was wondering just how much of the leveling experience is quests. I'd also like to know how effective 2x exp cards, buffs, etc are in regards to the dungeons, if the majority of the exp comes from the monsters or from completing the dungeon itself.

I don't know about a time frame, but joetang i believe mentioned that it was something like 7m for dungeon completion at high 17x, with 3mish from the monsters inside, for 10m total. Quests in general make up the entire thing, with some or most quests giving full level ups.

Doesn't the exp effect not apply if you ohko with it?

It'll apply even if you OHKO it.

One more question. Can anyone that has played Zero to a significant level (at least to 178) give me an idea of how long it takes to level up to 178? Im looking to knock this sucker out as quick as possible, and was wondering just how much of the leveling experience is quests. I'd also like to know how effective 2x exp cards, buffs, etc are in regards to the dungeons, if the majority of the exp comes from the monsters or from completing the dungeon itself.

Quests and clear experience are a good majority of the experience (especially the higher level you get). But there's also the Kritias dungeon you can go in 3 times per day which is like a party play area, those monsters give a lot of exp so if you wanna use 2x, use it there with other people.

Quests and clear experience are a good majority of the experience (especially the higher level you get). But there's also the Kritias dungeon you can go in 3 times per day which is like a party play area, those monsters give a lot of exp so if you wanna use 2x, use it there with other people.

Wasn't it stated that we aren't getting Kritias in GMS?

Wasn't it stated that we aren't getting Kritias in GMS?

Not sure, but the Kritias in Mirror World for Zero was released (2nd patch of RED) before we even got the real Kritias (3rd patch), so I'm not sure if it would matter.