Yes, the good ol' Dk controversy again

I really really wish that I had max spear fury.

My level 1 is decent but i'd love to be able to finish off them stubborn skeles with a SF all the time.

i'd toss sac out the window since it's the most useless thing i've ever had the misfortune of adding into. I've literally used it maybe twice from 10x-148 and both times only to see what kind of damage it would do.

if you're pure spear, than it's kinda useless, although pretty nice if you overpot and want to berserk again.

regarding the DPM difference between ski's and other spears. the thing is that the crushers you can squeeze in with a ski arent worth the extra damage, especially if you're borderline 2-3 hits (as i am)
point is, if you can 2hko, no matter what weapon it is, just stick to it.
in general, hybrid gets all benefits and no disadvantages almost, it opens up a wide range of training spots (you should go goby > hime > skele, and PA at himes and/or goby is great)

It's not useful because of the damage, it's useful because it hits faster than Crusher. It does roughly the same amount as 1 single hit out of Spear Crusher, so if you are taking down 75%+ of a monster's HP on the first hit then it's useful to finish off, cause it's faster than a second Crusher.

I'd kinda agree with your build but I don't know what you do with Sacrifice, it takes off pretty big amounts of HP (I've heard upward of 4k on a powerful DK).


Fury is better when it's hitting more targets than Crusher, which due to range differences can happen on 1-2 monsters. Of course, it's also better on mobs of 5-6.

It's usefull for its range and attack speed but in order to be usefull it does have to do good damage. And for sacrifice I agree it's not the best skill the only purpose i use it for is trying to get the highest single target damage for fun and to get into my serk HP on HT. But since I remade a 2nd DK (my first DK had max ER) I consider ER useless at the end It has been overcredited due the fact that you were supposed to get it for training at grims but it doesnt have any use nowadays I believe since it only reduces damage on a limited amount of magic types

I believe the posts above pretty much explained it, but I think I might say this myself. I'm a purespear and I don't regret my choice, but I know I would be more happy to have gone hybrid, spear training at Himes during 12x really sucks.

Another point is that, in order to be on par with a Hero (or even outperform him), you need Polearm Fury + Berserk, it is better than anything a Hero has to offer in a big mob like at Himes, if you ever miss out on Polearm Fury, sorry, they own you bad >.>

if you're pure spear, than it's kinda useless, although pretty nice if you overpot and want to berserk again.

everyone is pure spear when you leave himes.

or might as well be.

I'm hybrid, though.

There might be another himes type map later on. Who knows.
-AlterWolfie, who doesn't see any point to going pure besides getting sacrifice. His analogy is always of a guy cutting off his leg to be 'unique'. "Lool look at me I only hev one leg and I'm proud of it!!!"

An easy attack skill build is

30 on all attacks beside sacrifice, and thats 150 sp. (Roar, S. Fury, P. Fury, S. Crusher, P. Crusher).

Personally, getting 20 ER and skipping out on PA crusher is more worth it, Cause even though ER is of limited use, it is of use in the current 'End game' area, unlike PA crusher or even really Sacrifice later on (if you can't KB with Crusher +Berserk, you probably don't want to be Sacrificing to KB). Obviously you can stick your extra points on whatever you like, perhaps a couple Sacrifice if you want something to get into Berserk, and maybe 1 on Crash for kicks.

I lean more towards pure spear dk. I myself and pure spear, but I have never tried hybrid so I can't tell you how well it works. From what I have seen, using a polearm would be fairly rare compared to the amount of time one would use a spear. In all of MS's bosses, spears have a huge advantage over polearms. Also, going pure spear, you would only need 1 weapon, instead of 2. I don't imagine someone would be using polearms much after himes, unless it proved more useful for mobbing at Peak. Where as spears you would use pretty much always. As for Final Attack, it is not very good at all for spearman/Dks. It seems like it would be helpful, but when it kicks in with slashblast it can really slow you down, especially when both slashblast and the final attack do a swing instead of a stab. However, if both a powerstrike and its resulting final attack are both stabs, you could kill a bit faster. My suggestion is to go pure spear seeing as you will be using spears more often than polearms, and you could get by with only a spear, and not a spear and polearm. Also the fact that crusher is significantly strong on bosses than fury.

Hybrid. Get spear fury.
I personally think that just the chance that a new map where PA fury might be more useful could be realeased makes it more worthwhile. I doubt sacrifice is really needed. Theres never a time in the game where KB is a bigger priority than killing.

Do you want to take a chance at pure spear and then regret it? I don't think any DK regrets going hybrid. They might regret not having spear fury, but no one said you had to be pure spear to have spear fury.