bucc/Striker with SE

Can someone please tell me, or redirect me to a thread where it was discussed how SE works with different class?

I'm mainly looking for how it works with stun mastery critical and striker critical, but it'd be good to know how it works with other classes too.

Thanks!


Edit: Also how does the search button work? How come I typed in "SE" and all those non related stuff come up? o.O

SE works for buccs and strikers the same way it does for every other class, it adds a % to your damage, say SE adds 60% damage, a buccaneer (if they crit) would do the skills damage+140% of the skills damage (because stun mastery does 140%)+ an extra 60% on top of that 140 for 200%. So they'd 200% aka double what they'd normally do.
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At least, thats how I think it works.

And...
The search button works like the "find" function on Document or Firefox, it searches threads for "SE" so you'll get threads talking about SE (Sharp Eyes) and other unrelated stuff like "Selling king cent" or "Sex is amazing"

Edit: Also how does the search button work? How come I typed in "SE" and all those non related stuff come up? o.O

it just searches a thread for the words that you enter into it.
So any post that has the term "SE" in it would come up in your search
including all the random stuff. You should probably narrow it down to get more of what you are looking for

ninja'd D:

SE works for buccs and strikers the same way it does for every other class, it adds a % to your damage, say SE adds 60% damage, a buccaneer (if they crit) would do the skills damage+140% of the skills damage (because stun mastery does 140%)+ an extra 60% on top of that 140 for 200%. So they'd 200% aka double what they'd normally do.
....
At least, thats how I think it works.

And...
The search button works like the "find" function on Document or Firefox, it searches threads for "SE" so you'll get threads talking about SE (Sharp Eyes) and other unrelated stuff like "Selling king cent" or "Sex is amazing"

Confused o.O

So what happen to a maxed flash fist with maxed SE and maxed SM?

2.7*1.4+.6?
or
2.7*(1.4+6)?

it just searches a thread for the words that you enter into it.
So any post that has the term "SE" in it would come up in your search
including all the random stuff. You should probably narrow it down to get more of what you are looking for

ninja'd D:

Lol that's why >.<

SE works for buccs and strikers the same way it does for every other class, it adds a % to your damage, say SE adds 60% damage, a buccaneer (if they crit) would do the skills damage+140% of the skills damage (because stun mastery does 140%)+ an extra 60% on top of that 140 for 200%. So they'd 200% aka double what they'd normally do.

Buccaneers get 140% + 160%
Strikers get 140% + 100%

Flash Fist would be 270% + 140% + 100% = 510% for Strikers and 270% + 140% + 160% = 570% for Buccaneers.

What JoeTang said, though the Buccaneer's damage would be better expressed as 140% + 60% + 100%.

That last extra 100% that appears out of nowhere only affects SE with stun mastery, nothing else.

There is no 100% that appears out of nowhere. A crit Barrage with SE does 460%. Flash Fists does 470%.

Buccaneers get 140% + 160%
Strikers get 140% + 100%

Flash Fist would be 270% + 140% + 100% = 510% for Strikers and 270% + 140% + 160% = 570% for Buccaneers.

Ugh now I'm confused. Striker crit says 200% but Buccaneer crit says 60%, so it'd be 160% for buccaneers, so it should be 270+140+200 for strikers, right?
Someone please tell me I get what JoeTang is saying in his post but the skill table confuses me

There is no 100% that appears out of nowhere. A crit Barrage with SE does 460%. Flash Fists does 470%.

A Crit with Barrage should do 430% if that extra 100% doesn't appear. Where was this theory (dis)proved?

Wait what 460%?
Barrage is 230% damage at max

There is no 100% that appears out of nowhere. A crit Barrage with SE does 460%. Flash Fists does 470%.

A Crit with Barrage should do 430% if that extra 100% doesn't appear. Where was this theory (dis)proved?

Wait what 460%?
Barrage is 230% damage at max

Here look, I'll leave this to you guys to work out:




That's with lvl 1 barrage and lvl 18 SE. My range was approx 2100~3700. (Yes this accounts for the energy charge.)

I'll leave this for you guys to figure out if the extra 100% is there or isn't there.

My thought:

[94% base + 60% Stun mastery + 128% (SE bonus of 28% then the extra 100%) ] x4.

(94+60+128)x4= 282x4= 1128%

If the extra 100% isn't in there, then the last hit would only do 728%. Which I think i wouldn't be able to hit 63k with that.

Actually, 1128% is what it would be if the extra 100% wasn't there. There's a second extra 100% that's only involved with Stun Mastery. Making it (94+60+228)x4 = 382x4 = 1528%.

1528% of 3700 is around 56000, suggesting it's even higher than that. I feel like I'm forgetting something.

My damage range was a rough estimate. But at least we can be assured that it isn't 1128% then? Because I remember that my damage range was at AROUND 3500 max (mainly because I checked out the lvl 120 people in the damage range comparison and I remember that I ranked slightly above a few certain individuals.)

Then add in 20 watt for energy charge, and I'm not sure how much my damage would go up to. 3700 was somewhat of a guess. But yeah... seems like the scenario where the extra 100 ISN'T there, can't be the case. (watch the double negative). Hmm, well anywho, hopefully we can get a few more SS's to check this out.

With around 2100 minimum, your max should be approximately 3900, which is roughly what you need to hit that high with said formulae.

With around 2100 minimum, your max should be approximately 3900, which is roughly what you need to hit that high with said formulae.

He needs 4181 max damage after defense is applied to hit that with a 1528% multiplier. On a Nest Golem that requires over 4500 max damage. Something's wrong here.

I'll provide some striker pic later.

Edit:
Stats:

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Note: The following SSs will be using the stats above without any attack buff, and with level 25 SE(+35% damage).


Barrage bottom hit, max I see 11k.

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Barrage top hit, max I see 44k.

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Barrage bottom hit without SE, it was 7.4k if it wasn't clear enough.

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Too lazy to capture a top hit >.< Highest I seen was 29k.


Someone work on the numbers please

^ Striker crit is basically the same as Archer crit.
170% barrage + 100% crit punch + 135% SE = 405%
405% of 2785 is 11279.25, looks right.

There is no 100% that appears out of nowhere. A crit Barrage with SE does 460%. Flash Fists does 470%.

Barrage, on a Buc, should be (skill% +140% + 160%)*4 for the final hit, if both SE and SM are maxed. 230+140+160=530 for max barrage. For Lv1 it should be 1528% with Lv18 SE. Perhaps he forgot he had MW on too?