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2009-06-07, 03:26 AM
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Jaruddd Wrote:Frankly, it seems as though there is nothing on which to elaborate that will not expand to argument but this. I neither wish to offend nor insult, so I'll just conclude this final portion.
There is an old community to this game which has been lost; I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you there. Many of those whom have left the game, again as you've stated, have done so through the various mechanics implemented by Nexon that have made the game unfair and generally less appealing to said community. I hope I'm covering the bases in saying that you're totally correct about what you've said about the old community and how the game has gone in a bad direction. The issue in this thread is your approach to how you feel about it.
Online gaming is a fleeting thing. You'll be hard-pressed to find a free game which doesn't have players cycling in and out endlessly--effectively reshaping the community with every day it remains open. Why is this? Let's examine World of Warcraft, for example. Blizzard has a great thing going for them. The initial product was outstanding and had a great deal of depth, but also working on their side is the obligation of cost. Many who play WoW not only become indulged in the community, but are kept there by the continual cost of playing. Now, many would look at that and think, "As if they couldn't just cancel at any time," whereas most cannot. They become intertwined with the friends they've developed, and even when they think they should quit, they end up telling themselves, "I'll just finish off the month," only to find they'll have a new reason to continue by the end of that period.
Maplestory does not have that luxury, unfortunately. If you compare the production quality of the game from the time of its initial conception to the level it is now, you'll notice a considerable increase in the time and detail put into everything included within it. The free-to-play mentality of Nexon allows us, at the very least, to enjoy the community of players without having to be bound by the threads of our wallets, despite the availability of pay-to-play ideals.
Much of the current customer base is ready and willing to spend their hard-earned dollars on a hobby they consider to be worthwhile, and in our case, the hobby is playing Maplestory. The general idea, in this case, is that if you pay a little cash, you'll gain what you desire faster. It is only natural for this mentality to permeate the community in a multitude of ways, which justifies the existence of leeching, Zakum Helmet services, and ample other things.
The question of what can be done is not far from that which any social environment in real life presents. As a player, you are the one who chooses to play and you are the one who decides how you play. The old community may be gone, but if you still have a desire to play Maplestory, continue making friends and expanding your horizons to meet your own personal goals. Trying to convince others so strongly of your own opinions on the community as current is not a way of exposing folly, but instead signals you as the hostile who needs to be dealt with.
If by any chance you've read "An Enemy of the People" by Henrik Ibsen or know of it, you can find a great deal of insight within its pages.
I want to sincerely thank you for your great and well-elaborated post just now! You have given me significantly more insight and understanding to your points.
However, I still would like to believe that there is something more we can do as players to encourage a better system of the game itself given our customer to corporate relationship with Nexon. It is disheartening to think that I should simply accept things for how they are and adapt to them. It makes one feel as if they have no security and no control. I guess in a free-to-play game, you can argue this as a reasonable expectation. But I guess I'm just an optimist who always hopes and wants for better, though it saddens me that so many don't and are content with being molded under Nexon's system.
The reason I want to believe...perhaps it's because we have seen minor progressive changes throughout the years toward a generally better direction (with exception of leeching) - this recent EXP curve adjustment makes me believe even more strongly so. That is why I still have hope that they are listening to us and that we can do something if we choose to care about change.
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The way I look at it-
This game has evolved in such a way that the only thing people care about is levels.
If you care so much about levels, or want to level fast, make a mage.
A game is for enjoyment. You decide what is fun to you. If levels are fun, make a mage. That would be the only way to become satisfied. You are posting on a fan-forum. No one capable of even taking action to your needs, or even listening to them is going to read this thread.
It has been this way for 4 years. Why would they choose to change it now?
No matter what they change, people will always find a easier way to level besides what people THINK is the right way. (Fighting Monsters)
Majority of online games have some form of leeching/boosting. It's normal.
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Why should you care about ppl's lvl or how they level ? Just enjoy the game in your own way . Its not like your friends will stop loving you just because you dont lvl up or have low lvl .
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vnthi3f Wrote:Why should you care about ppl's lvl or how they level ? Just enjoy the game in your own way . Its not like your friends will stop loving you just because you dont lvl up or have low lvl .
Well mine did, they kicked me of buddy list and guild.
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DeanNim Wrote:Well mine did, they kicked me of buddy list and guild. 
Then you can say for sure they were not really your friends...
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vnthi3f Wrote:They are not your friend, nothing to be worried about  
Yea but he thought they were his friends so unnecessary emotion and trust were used by him.
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ndynslvr Wrote:Yea but he thought they were his friends so unnecessary emotion and trust were used by him.
Then he needs to realize random people you will have and never will meet mean about as much as a random toad hopping about on the road till it goes splat.
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draconius Wrote:Standard history of a "complain about mage ultimates" thread:
1. Someone brings it up that mages train too fast.
2. Someone that can't afford leech complains about the effect of leeching.
3. Someone concurs and ties this to the "downfall" of the game "as its supposed to be played"
4. Mage/Bishop comes in and says there isn't any way of playing the game, says that the tradeoff is that mages can't do single target damage for crap.
5. Someone points out that bishops are wanted at parties.
6. Mages and bishops start arguing with one another about how bishops are broken, other classes join in the intra-class discussion and everyone gangs up on bishops (Insert 15 pages of complaining about Ele wands in here while we're at it)
7. Someone proposes a "new" solution to mage ultimates being either to remove them and give good DPS for mages, give them a cooldown, or make them hit less targets.
8. Mages and bishops stop yelling at each other and condemn the idea.
9. Eos points out that Nexon states that leeching is legitimate.
10. More semantics on what "legit" means.
11. Thread becomes 10 pages long, new people end up just repeating old points.
12. Thread goes full circle for another 30 pages of QQ.
Hey, I just saved us like a week's worth of "fun".
This is correct.
Mystic, you made it to 170 as a Paladin. Props to you, because there are fewer 170 Paladins than mages.
The game IS broken, but nobody seems to give a crap and MS is regarded as a "good" game. If you want to play a game that is "good" and is not broken, play WoW. If you want to play Maple, play Maple until you're 200, and then you will be one fo the comparatively few Paladins who played.
Maple will never be "unbroken," you will simply have Nexon do half-assed attempts to correct the imbalance by introducing new (and expensive) items for the "disadvantaged" classes. Crushed Skull and LunchBox are good examples of this.
Complaining about class imbalance will not remedy it; calling classes nerfed or overpowered will not make them any less nerfed or overpowered. My suggestion is, either train to 200 when training doesn't matter anymore, or quit and play another game. You're not going to convince anyone to abandon their lvl 164 character and this thread sure as hell is not going to influence the Nexon design teams.
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great another fu]cking thread where every response will be a separate essay. guang, who cares
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TheTyphoon Wrote:great another fu]cking thread where every response will be a separate essay. guang, who cares
It's obvious that you don't since you KS anyone and everyone at Anego anyway, so this thread obviously isn't directed to you.
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MysticHLE Wrote:It's obvious that you don't since you KS anyone and everyone at Anego anyway, so this thread obviously isn't directed to you.
wow.. a 1 sentence response, i congratulate you
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guang how did you level your bishop
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This thread should get closed before it starts turning into a "personal" issue
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TheTyphoon Wrote:wow.. a 1 sentence response, i congratulate you You were complaining about long responses 2 hours ago o.o
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2009-06-07, 10:51 PM
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Danny Wrote:guang how did you level your bishop
OmegaHPLa's levels:
1-8 - Maple Island quests.
9-15 - Pigs
16-20 - Horny Mushrooms
21-25 - Wild Boars
26-32 - Ratz
33-36 - Jr. Wraiths
37-41 - Platoon Chronos
42-52 - Wraiths
53-58 - Coolies
59-63 - Soul Teddies
64-67 - mobbed Hime for Dragon Knight
68-85 - soloed MDT
86-92 - soloed Phantom Watch
93-102 - soloed/partied Hime
103-108 - leeched Blue Wyverns
109-120 - mix of Skelegon leech from Mike + Hime solo/party
121-150 - partied Skelegon
Your point? I'm not the noob who doesn't know my character and the game as portrayed by this person in the screenshot. The point of this thread isn't even against leeching itself anyway.
And please don't make me ask how you got your fame on Pleasures, also how you got your levels on DaMunkinator (or however you spell that character's name that is long off rankings/deleted), because we already know the answers to that already.
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Ok, seriously? This is just ridiculous.
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