President Obama's State of the Union Address 2011

I think he just doesn't want to end up another Kennedy. From what I know, republicans have killed few presidents before and I don't see why they wouldn't do it again. And the assassin "would never be found", which means it would be hidden by conspiracy.

Did anyone notice that the war in Afganistan was the longest war in US history?

Does that mean Vietnam didn't exist until LBJ got involved?

Many people still think World War II and the Holocaust was a myth.

You'd be surprised at what people have claimed didn't exist, was a myth, or didn't happen Taiketo... you'd be VERY surprised...

Conveniently in this day of technology and media, yes.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

	Obama	GOP	Obama %	GOP %
Kept	134	1	26%	2%
Compromise	41		8%	0%
Broken	38		8%	0%
Stalled	71		14%	0%
In Progress	220	9	43%	16%
NR	2	47	0%	82%
Total	506	57	100%	100%

So that's approximately 22% failed to meet there counting stalled.

That list will take a while to go through, but I do know several important promises he broke:
Nafta and Cafta remain unchallenged.
Our troops are still in Iraq.
Obama is expanding upon Guantanimo.
He is rushing bills through congress inspite of his promise to make bills avalible online for several days for the public to read before congress votes on the bills.
And I could go on, but I'll stop here untill I read your source. But assuming your source is 100% accurate, this would mean that Obama only kept 26% of his promises. Where I come from, that is an F, a Failure. And that doesnt even account for the degree of importance of every promise. So far as I look at this list, only minor promises are kept, while the major ones where shattered.

Edit: and I love how you try to include a GOP meter as well. There is a major difference between comparing a group of a hundred people (many of these people never took part in promising the listed promises) and comparing them to one person who made every promise personally.


And our involvement in Afganistan has been longer than our direct involvement in Vietnam.

Things could be worse though...

this would mean that Obama only kept 26% of his promises.

Funny, cause I see 51% there that aren't broken, in addition to the 26% that are "Kept". You can't say he only kept 26% if they're not broken yet.

and I love how you try to include a GOP meter as well. There is a major difference between comparing a group of a hundred people (many of these people never took part in promising the listed promises) and comparing them to one person who made every promise personally.

There are also substantially fewer promises made by them, and being made by an entire party rather than a single figurehead who then has to work with both parties to accomplish one would think those fewer promises would be easier to keep. If you really paid attention you'd note that the majority of them haven't even been rated yet so any conclusion you attempt to draw from their results would be idiotic. They were merely included because they were also there.

Funny, cause I see 51% there that aren't broken, in addition to the 26% that are "Kept". You can't say he only kept 26% if they're not broken yet.



There are also substantially fewer promises made by them, and being made by an entire party rather than a single figurehead who then has to work with both parties to accomplish one would think those fewer promises would be easier to keep. If you really paid attention you'd note that the majority of them haven't even been rated yet so any conclusion you attempt to draw from their results would be idiotic. They were merely included because they were also there.

If you where paying attention, I only stated that comparing an entire party to one person is idiotic.

You are misinterpreting it. He has 26% kept, and 73% that he has an excuse for not keeping. Too bad all that matters in the end is whether he kept his word or not.

And honestly, we should be focusing on his more major promises:

"We've got a philosophical difference, which we've debated repeatedly, and that is that Sen. Clinton believes the only way to achieve universal health care is to force everybody to purchase it" (spoken during the Democratic presidential debate on Feb. 21, 2008).

And he contradicted himself when HR3200 mandated the purchase of insurance.

"We need tougher border security, and a renewed focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing our border. … That begins at home, with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our border and passing tough employer enforcement laws" (spoken in Miami on May 23, 2008).

And he has done the opposite. He has criticized and blocked Arizona for enforcing border security and has denied his constitutional duty to protect the country from foreign invaders (specifically the Drug Cartels).

"Based on the conversations we've had internally as well as external reports, we believe that you can get one to two brigades out a month. At that pace, the forces would be out in approximately 16 months from the time that we began. That would be the time frame that I would be setting up" (spoken to the New York Times on Nov. 1, 2007, about the withdraw from Iraq).

Last time I checked, 16 months is less than 3 years.

"There is no doubt that we've been living beyond our means, and we're going to have to make some adjustments. Now, what I've done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut" (spoken during the third presidential debate on Oct. 15, 2008).

Source: John Stossel blog at Fox Business

What has Obama cut? I've only seen an increase in spending.

"We are going to ban all earmarks" (spoken at a press conference on Jan. 6, 2009).

Laughable since almost all bills he has signed where loaded with them.

"Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase – not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes" (spoken in September 2008 at a town-hall meeting in Dover).

And yet, he intends on passing carbon taxes and the healthcare bill was ruled by federal courts to be a tax.

And these are just to name a few major ones.

And why is Guantanimo open still?

Edit: more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFY..._embedded#!
And can we? Obviously not, the final versions of many bills where voted on asap, not after 5 days.

Edit2: I found a lie in your source. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...from-iraq/
He promised we would be out within 16 months (actually, he promised several times with several different deadlines), but they claim that "Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq" means the promise is kept. The war is still going on. Americans are still dying there. The promise was never kept.

Edit3: And yes he is just like Bush and his signing statements:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seAR1S1Mj...-standard/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/12/us/pol...r=3&ref=us

BTW... Barrack get rid of that pineappling teleprompter and learn to speak publicly without it!!!

I don't know if you're being serious or if you're mocking my post but let me address both.

Teleprompters are a necessity for any public speaker, especially one addressing as much as Barack had to last night. Even if you can memorize a speech, it's there for you to fall back on and glance at if necessary. There is no issue with having and glancing at a teleprompter. However, as a public speaker, you need to make eye contact with people, or at least appear as if you're speaking to them, which is where the Tea Party speaker failed completely. There was not a single word of her speech that was spoken without looking at the teleprompter and that's what made it pretty funny. Even when she was addressing pictures or charts, her head never swiveled away from the teleprompter while she was speaking. She looked at the picture of the WWII soldiers at one point but she completely stopped speaking in order to do it.

She's not a good public speaker.

There was nothing wrong with what Barack did, or what that Paul Ryan dude did.

You are misinterpreting it. He has 26% kept, and 73% that he has an excuse for not keeping. Too bad all that matters in the end is whether he kept his word or not.

We disagree on measurements then. Failure to keep a promise is only determine by actually breaking it, not by not having met it yet.
That plus I've already stated my views on politicians and promises.

And honestly, we should be focusing on his more major promises:

This I more agree with, or at least that there needs to be an actual methodology for weighting those promises in the list since by itself the 500ish of them are not very uniform in size and scope and it's hard to tell how much from each section is just fluff that nobody cares about. He could be doing better or worse than he appears to be doing just off the list.

I'm pretty much ignoring your list of broken promises since I don't particularly care about what he said to get elected. It's all relatively old news and I have no interest in defending him or attacking him. My point in posting those was that both sides are measureable and can be accountable to those who do give a damn like yourself.

I'm pretty much ignoring your list of broken promises since I don't particularly care about what he said to get elected. It's all relatively old news and I have no interest in defending him or attacking him. My point in posting those was that both sides are measureable and can be accountable to those who do give a damn like yourself.

Thats sad, because you missed a lie I found in your source. It claims that Obama kept his promise to remove our troops from Iraq, but our troops are still there and he already missed his 16month self set deadline. Even if you do ignore the deadline, it would only be considered a work in progress at best.

With interpreting the measurements, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Did anyone notice that the war in Afganistan was the longest war in US history?

Technically it's not a war because Congress didn't declare it was a war.

Gah I wish Vietnam didn't happen. We actually have a pretty good reason for being there. Well, at least a better reason than being in Vietnam.

Technically it's not a war because Congress didn't declare it was a war.

Gah I wish Vietnam didn't happen. We actually have a pretty good reason for being there. Well, at least a better reason than being in Vietnam.

I think you have a typo in there.

And you are right, we have been in several wars since then end of WWII that congress did not officially declare as war. but this does not change the fact that our troops are overseas and dying needlessly.