Weapon differences post-BB

Are there still damage modifiers on the types of swings for BW's, spears, and pole arms?

I have a 105/3 leomite with 3 slots left which I made from scratch (aka the BW scrolls and the leomite itself were drops I looted) and I'm considering using it for a while since I'm strapped for mesos.

There is no difference between stab/swing anymore as far as damage is concerned.

Besides the speed on the weapon it doesn't really matter what you use anymore within your two weapons you use.

0^2 is right. The weapon formula has been changed which means no Slash and Stab formula.

Some weapons have the same damage multiplier (Example: Damage multiplier for Two-Handed Sword, Two-Handed Axe, and Two-Handed Blunt Weapon is 1.32, and Spear and Pole Arm damage multiplier is 1.49) which means some weapons with the same attack power (and stats that raise your attack power depending on what class you are) will have the same damage range as each other (Minimum and Maximum) and DPS/DPM if they have the same Weapon Speed as well.

[SPOILER=Here's an example!]



My Ribgol Sword and Colonian Axe both give 8 STR and 114 Attack Power, which means you'll deal the same damage with them. However, since Ribgol Sword is Fast-5 and Colonian Axe is Normal-6, Ribgol Sword has a big advantage on both DPS and DPM.

So BW's no longer have unstable damage because of swing types?

I'll stick with my Leomite then. Thanks.

I think it's great they finally made some balance with swords vs BWs and swords vs axes by getting rid of the slash/stab differences, however it irks me that, as a one-handed weapon wielding white knight, swords are still a better option.
One-handed swords and one-handed BWs have the same base attack yet the majority of swords are fast (5) while BWs are normal (6). That means with a perfect one-handed sword and perfect one-handed bw, the sword will output more DPS because of it's greater speed.
Only the Crushed Skull has a higher base attack than a sword of the same level (reverse and timeless executioners) and yet those swords can still surpass the Crushed Skull from level ups.

This is just the information I've pulled off of Hidden-street's database. Unless I'm missing something it seems swords still have the advantage most of the time because they are one level speed faster.
Shame really, I would have liked the thought of the two weapons being completely equal, but it seems that if I want to maximize my damage output I would have to choose a sword.

Damage multipliers were changed again in Chaos; don't have more info on that yet.

Damage multipliers were changed again in Chaos; don't have more info on that yet.

Seriously? I hope they get it right this time then...axe and BW multipliers have to be higher than swords for sure. Also, wands and staffs should have different multipliers if they weren't different already.

Seriously? I hope they get it right this time then...axe and BW multipliers have to be higher than swords for sure. Also, wands and staffs should have different multipliers if they weren't different already.

According to threads, only 2H Swords, 2H Axes, 2H Blunt Weapons, Bare Hands, and Bows (not sure on Crossbows) were changed. I would presume with the 2H weapon that they received a slight increase to compensate for the fact that shields would instantly double the amount of potential you can have. I'm not sure why they wouldn't include Spears and Polearms as well since the warriors in general are pretty balanced before the multiplier change.

So you guys are telling me that PAs + Spears = same damage for Dragon Fury & Dragon Crusher? Hoping I'm reading this right.

So you guys are telling me that PAs + Spears = same damage for Dragon Fury & Dragon Crusher? Hoping I'm reading this right.

Correct.

So you guys are telling me that PAs + Spears = same damage for Dragon Fury & Dragon Crusher? Hoping I'm reading this right.

Yep. No more Hybrid DKs. I would expect Polearms to be more expensive because of Arans and spears are always faster than a PA, but otherwise there is no difference.

Ninja'd

According to threads, only 2H Swords, 2H Axes, 2H Blunt Weapons, Bare Hands, and Bows (not sure on Crossbows) were changed. I would presume with the 2H weapon that they received a slight increase to compensate for the fact that shields would instantly double the amount of potential you can have. I'm not sure why they wouldn't include Spears and Polearms as well since the warriors in general are pretty balanced before the multiplier change.

Really? I can understand not wanting to change 1h weapons because like you said, shields present extreme advantages over 2h because of potential. Bare hands and bows are kind of an odd change, since i concluded that bare hands was changed to be useless due to the fact that...well bare hands IS useless. Only reason i can think of for bows being changed is just because crossbows have way too many advantages over them but that seems to be more a problem with the skill set of crossbow classes compared to bow classes. Though i would have to see the changes to form any kind of opinion about it of course.

The only BW's will ever be equal is giving them a self buff of SI

Seriously? I hope they get it right this time then...axe and BW multipliers have to be higher than swords for sure. Also, wands and staffs should have different multipliers if they weren't different already.

Well... currently the only thing that offshoots this is the fact that vip 1h swords and axes both share the same WA as well as the same speed (fast 5). If for some reason this does change, you're gonna see people loading up on those vip axes =s. However, thanks to the npc missing from GMS currently, its gonna be tough to find.

Ohhh ok. So this is why I was hitting around 13k+ (total) with Dragon Crusher and a clean Pole Arm. My DK is literally stripped from top to bottom, and only has a Zhelm. That explains.. eeeeeveryyyything. Cause PAs+stab never did this back then.

spears are always faster than a PA

Wut? The fastest Spear is the level 85 Sky Ski, there are way more normal or fast speed high level Polearms than Spears.

Wut? The fastest Spear is the level 85 Sky Ski, there are way more normal or fast speed high level Polearms than Spears.

Maple Impaler is Fast (5), but I get your point.