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I think If Nexon cared more for balance, this wouldn't even happen. If they lunchbox DIDN'T EXIST, there would be no desire or jealousy over it.

Same with One-Handed Sword GM scrolls, but hey, what can you do?

Do you not understand basic addition?

Executioner: 108atk
+3 diamond
+3 black crystal
+3 level ups
+1 str crystal
+11 5/7 60% scrolls
129 total

Lunchbox: 109atk
+11 5/7 60% scrolls
+20 speed difference
140 total

Lunchbox is 11atk better. Please learn basic math before trying to act like you know what you are talking about. Lunchbox is better, you have no pineappleing clue what the hell you are saying.

First, allow me..

Brandish
Faster (2): 630ms (-210ms)
Faster (3): 690ms (-150ms)

Speed Faster (2) delivers 8.28 more Brandish's per minute, that's a 9.5% dmg increase DPS-wise compared with speed Faster (3).
Now then, to your own proud addition:

Executioner: 108atk
+3 diamond
+3 black crystal
+3 level ups
+1 str crystal
+11 5/7 60% scrolls
129 total

Lunchbox: 109atk
+11 5/7 60% scrolls
+20 speed difference <~ I humbly ask for permission to temporarily remove this
120 total

Now then, apparently dmg range relies on other factors but let's just consider the swords themselves. 9 atk advantage gives Executioner a 7.5% dmg addition DPS-wise, which is inferior to your Lunchbox at a boss, I agree.

Now we come to scrolling. Let's say you somehow manage to have the scrolls work at their given rate, 60%, that's 4.2 successful scrolls on average, whether you round it UP or DOWN is none of my business, I'm just pointing out the potential risk for ending up with less-than-desired results, which aren't a rare sight when it comes to scrolling. With Executioners, you have the liberty to retry until you are satisfied, and since we're talking about end-game weapons, retry efforts don't matter, do they?

Even with your given scenario (5/7 successful 60%s), a lunchbox has a mere 2% dmg boost DPS-wise, which only applies in bosses (not even BF). Elsewhere, the 7.5% dmg boost (could be higher) on the Executioner proves to help more towards 2hit, 1hit KO-ing.

+20 speed difference <~ I humbly ask for permission to temporarily remove this

You can't remove it since it is correct.

(780*4+60)*(1.2+1)*95.2381=666285.748

(785*4+60)*(x+1)*86.9565=666285.748
x = 1.394
ceiling(1.394) = 140
140atk(+5str) speed5 = 120atk speed4
140-120 = 20

20atk difference.
An equally scrolled lunchbox is 11atk better than an executioner. And 600m cheaper.

Your "2%" is not even half of the true value:

((780*4+60)*(1.2+1)*95.2381)/((785*4+60)*(1.29+1)*86.9565)
= 4.5% advantage

11atk/4.5% difference. Now you might not think that is much of an increase, but how about you use common sense for once and consider the worth of 11atk. Take your cape, shoes, or glove and add 11atk to that, and tell me how much that item would cost. That is a huge improvement in terms of equipment.

the 7.5% dmg boost (could be higher) on the Executioner proves to help more towards 2hit, 1hit KO-ing.

You use a 2h sword when you need to 1-2 hit something.

You can't remove it since it is correct.

(780*4+60)*(1.2+1)*95.2381=666285.748
= (780*4+60)*1.2*95.2381 (= max DPS) + (780*4+60)*95.2381 ?

And sorry, I'm running out of time, have fun. I'll check it later.

Also,

11atk/4.5% difference. Now you might not think that is much of an increase, but how about you use common sense for once and consider the worth of 11atk. Take your cape, shoes, or glove and add 11atk to that, and tell me how much that item would cost. That is a huge improvement in terms of equipment.

As far as I can tell, Str/Atk only factors in the WATK itself, and not the version substituted by speed.

I still don't think one-of-a-lifetime scrolling chance is worth it, except for the use of gmscrolls. But since it's come down to 'think', there's little to discuss.

All you've done so far is complain that you can't get a lunchbox for your dawn warrior just because it has a minor dps advantage. You say its broken/imbalanced which is false since there are less than 10 lunchboxes in ALL of maplestory capable of surpassing a well scrolled carabella/executioner. Lunchboxes would only be imbalancing the game if every hero had 1. Your acting just like those idiots who comaplined when stonetooths were first released in gms because it made their devil's sunrises "useless". Then Senyain appeared with his calculations and lo and behold, the anti-stonetooth bandwagon became a rk+attack shield wagon. Now stop whining and move on with your maple life.

And sorry, I'm running out of time, have fun. I'll check it later.

You edited my calculations and bolded random parts (including a part that I never even said?)

"+ (780*4+60)*95.2381" what the hell did you add that for? Why would I need to add that random string to my calculation?


(780*4+60)*(1.2+1)*95.2381=666285.748
A 120atk lunchbox = 666,285.748 dpm.

(785*4+60)*(x+1)*86.9565=666285.748
x = 1.394
You need a 140 atk speed5 weapon to beat 666,285.748 dpm.

Therefore, a your executioner must be 140atk to beat a 120atk lunchbox. 20atk difference, exactly what I said over and over.

As far as I can tell, Str/Atk only factors in the WATK itself, and not the version substituted by speed.

What the hell? I did [(dpmSpeed4)/(dpmSpeed5(+9atk))] not STR divided by ATK.

I still don't think one-of-a-lifetime scrolling chance is worth it, except for the use of gmscrolls. But since it's come down to 'think', there's little to discuss.

If you can mass scroll executioners then you can afford GM scrolls.

If you can mass scroll executioners then you can afford GM scrolls.

No you can't. I seriously doubt there are even 7 gm scrolls left in GMS. Besides that, I'm not going to bother arguing with you, it's really not worth my time, keep complaining though! The lunchbox won't be coming back either way.

No you can't. I seriously doubt there are even 7 gm scrolls left in GMS. Besides that, I'm not going to bother arguing with you, it's really not worth my time, keep complaining though! The lunchbox won't be coming back either way.

I saw about a dozen in MTS just before the patch and some others in various FMs across servers.

Who knows, Nexon might release a better atk lv 130 LB before the year in some new event.

I seriously doubt there are even 7 gm scrolls left in GMS.

My friend collected about 20 of them back when you still could, he used 9 on his lunchbox, and kept the other 11 just in case a better one-handed sword was ever released.

And I am sure he isn't the only one who kept scrolls back like that.