MW + Weapon + Dispel

Just a small observation and whatnot:

So for the last few weeks, with the maple leaves, I have been using MW to use my bow. This allowed me to switch from my HT pendant to a Narc pendant to increase my damage. For the longest time I've heard from others that when your MW gets dispeled, you dc, but I had never experienced that till yesterday.

For the 2-3 weeks I've used MW to equip my bow, Ive papped with no problems. When I got dispeled, my weapon would just disappear, and I'd merely have to recast MW to attack again.

With that in mind, I decided to test my max damage range with all the buffs I could get in the last few days to test my fastest pap time. It was then that I notice myself dcing. There were only two differences between my not dcing paps and my dcing paps: The use of ciders and the use of diamond arrows.

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I havent really had much of a chance to test this out so Im just throwing this out there for those who perhaps want to use MW to equip a weapon but fear dcing:

When I get dispeled, I get a notice, saying I cannot use this attack because Im out of arrows. This would mean that regardless of weapon or not, I cant attack.

The reason that one dc's when their MW gets dispeled is because they're in the middle of an attack and thus for some magical reason, it doesnt process properly and dcs you.

So combining those two points, you wont dc because you cant be in the middle of an attack when you get dispeled due to lack of arrows.

Im sorry, this isnt very well articulated right now and perhaps I'll rephrase things later, but Im just throwing that out there now:


tl;dr Perhaps its "safe" for archers to use MW to equip bows if we dont have arrows in our inventory.

The way i see it, if you made it work so that with an MoN + MW it works but without MW it's unequipped you could use that during training. When you boss however (or at least at ones that dispell), you equip the HT pendant.

Win/win?

The way i see it, if you made it work so that with an MoN + MW it works but without MW it's unequipped you could use that during training. When you boss however (or at least at ones that dispell), you equip the HT pendant.

Win/win?

What Im saying is that I can use the MoN to kill bosses with dispel as well, as long as I dont carry arrows. Least that's what Im testing out right now anyways.

At Sharks, I dc'd 1/2 dispel with arrows, 0/6 so far without. Gonna try a bit more later on after dinner but... yeah. Just throwing this out there for people to perhaps gain stats. Ive seen dispel/dc talks regarding mw before but Ive never seen anyone mention arrows, hence why Im throwing this out there.

If this is true, it would help out BMs and MMs, but NLs and Corsairs are stuck, since they need the stars/bullets to attack. Which would explain why NLs always d/c because of this.

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]This was implemented during the last patch where you will not DC if your equipment is MW-dependant. (P/S: Last patch before anniversary)

This had been tested on my BM and NL characters at Pap, Manon and HT.

And you won't need any arrows in your inventory![/SIZE][/COLOR]

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]This was implemented during the last patch where you will not DC if your equipment is MW-dependant. (P/S: Last patch before anniversary)

This had been tested on my BM and NL characters at Pap, Manon and HT.

And you won't need any arrows in your inventory![/SIZE][/COLOR]

How sure are you on this? I dc'd at pap today and yesterday, along with a few times in my short test at sharks. My experience and what you're saying is completely opposite, lol.

If there's a disparity between your client's and server's simulations, the most likely thing to happen is a disconnect. Simulations do not occur simultaneously, and the server is the first thing to process a dispel effect.

So say Papulatus decides to dispel you while you're using Hurricane. The server makes a note of this at time = 0 milliseconds (arbitrarily assigned for the purposes of this discussion). The server then sends packets telling the client that the character has been dispelled. This takes roughly in the neighborhood of 70 milliseconds or something. At time = 70 milliseconds, your client receives those packets, and will now show your character being dispelled. If you happen to unleash an arrow during that time frame and hit a monster, the server decides that you've desynched and automatically disconnects you, since the client thinks Papulatus got hit for damage at the last moment while the server thinks the character doesn't have a weapon anymore.

But wait! Desynchs like these happen all the time! For example, in a storm of stars hitting Rellik, the bowmaster of CWK, Rellik decides to use his massive stun attack. There's a very likely chance that a desynch will happen amongst one of the NLs. So in order to prevent sore hearts and flaring tempers, the server has a list of exceptions and just tells everyone else that the player(s) actually just "missed" instead or something. Apparently, the MW thing isn't in the list of exceptions.

I have 30 base str and +52 str from equips. I use mw to equip my arund. I pap, ht, pianus, griffey, and manon very frequently and have never been dc'ed from dispel [with or without arrows (if i carry arrows it's only diamond arrows)].

I have 30 base str and +52 str from equips. I use mw to equip my arund. I pap, ht, pianus, griffey, and manon very frequently and have never been dc'ed from dispel [with or without arrows (if i carry arrows it's only diamond arrows)].

Seconded. I noticed this about... two months ago? I should have told more people, though. Glad it's fixed.

How sure are you on this? I dc'd at pap today and yesterday, along with a few times in my short test at sharks. My experience and what you're saying is completely opposite, lol.

[SIZE="2"]Very positive. I do Papulatus daily (on BM) and Manon/HT every weekend (on NL). It might be a 'lag' problem on your side i.e. Hurricane while after getting dispelled[/SIZE]

I heard about this happening at HT, when you need to cast MW to use your weapon.

Don't know if it is fixed or not, but I'll just take Zim's word for it.

[SIZE="2"]Very positive. I do Papulatus daily (on BM) and Manon/HT every weekend (on NL). It might be a 'lag' problem on your side i.e. Hurricane while after getting dispelled[/SIZE]

Hmmm, I really dont know then. I know I have no connection problems whatsoever so I have no idea what's causing it. Even after pap, when I was testing it out at sharks, the ONLY time I dc'd was when a shark did its dispel animation, meaning it was definitely a case of dispel + dc.

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]This was implemented during the last patch where you will not DC if your equipment is MW-dependant. (P/S: Last patch before anniversary)

This had been tested on my BM and NL characters at Pap, Manon and HT.

And you won't need any arrows in your inventory![/SIZE][/COLOR]

it was fixed a long time before that. i haven't DC'ed from dispelling bosses while relying on MW since uhh... last july? they changed the way MW was casted. before, your weapon would be equipped the moment MW was casted, after, your weapon would be equipped after the MW animation was finished. maybe it wasn't completely fixed though?

Hmmm, I really dont know then. I know I have no connection problems whatsoever so I have no idea what's causing it. Even after pap, when I was testing it out at sharks, the ONLY time I dc'd was when a shark did its dispel animation, meaning it was definitely a case of dispel + dc.

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]Just checked abit of history from sleepywood to further confirm it too (http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthre...?t=1550224) and Huy's post above (ExtremeBeast)

I wouldn't advise to bring diamond arrows for HT runs since the damage doesnt stack with SA *yet*

i haven't DC'ed from dispelling bosses while relying on MW since uhh... last july?

I'm unable to confirm the exact patch when they had this fixed but most told me that it was during the Aprils patch.
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[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="2"]I'm unable to confirm the exact patch when they had this fixed but most told me that it was during the Aprils patch.
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let's just settle for last summer then.