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Like with the Maplemas lights where if you filled up your other slots you could get them.
Like say I was wanting a chair from a Gachapon if I filled up Equips, Use, Etc would I get that chair, one day? lol
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i think it'll ask you to empty a spot in w/e is filled iirc
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Yes, it says you have a full inventory.
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lmao yeah nice try but its not like the glitch where you could have gotten a GM scroll F3
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I think you can fill up set up but not any other inventory, though I'm not sure you'd want to do that.
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If you go to NLC you might. If it stops you getting things like the map.
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Kirov Wrote:If you go to NLC you might. If it stops you getting things like the map.
but then again, it also stops you from getting the chairs =P
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Kirov Wrote:If you go to NLC you might. If it stops you getting things like the map.
And stuff like the Skull Throne too-
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not quite a trick like the maplemas one, but i get good results from ccing every "bad" item i get. Last run in NLC i got a 4/13 dawn raven wing, 4/97 dawn raven beak, and a 72 m att heart staff, all from 11 tics.
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Sn1perJohnE Wrote:not quite a trick like the maplemas one, but i get good results from ccing every "bad" item i get. Last run in NLC i got a 4/13 dawn raven wing, 4/97 dawn raven beak, and a 72 m att heart staff, all from 11 tics.
you are just being awfully lucky...
those kind of superstitious tricks... same for scrolling, NEVER work... or maybe... just for your and no one else
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summer Wrote:you are just being awfully lucky...
those kind of superstitious tricks... same for scrolling, NEVER work... or maybe... just for your and no one else
eh, probably, i also have my own scrolling method that has good success for myself
anyway on gacha, i went and got 11 tics the other night, nlc gave me 3 pots the first 3 ones, so i went to shrine with the last 8 tics. got 3 crap equips in one ch, so do my CCing trick, and the last three things i got were shield luk 70%, shield str 70%, dagger att 30%, claw att 30%, and wand m att 30%
usually at shrine doing my CCing trick, i get at least a claw att 30%, or at least 1 shield att/m att scroll(s). Imma stick with my methods
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This makes me wonder if there's a trick as well. I used 8 tix at Hene and still didn't get the chair, even though I have hella Set-Up space available. WTH am I doing wrong? Why!!!
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Harrisonized Wrote:This makes me wonder if there's a trick as well. I used 8 tix at Hene and still didn't get the chair, even though I have hella Set-Up space available. WTH am I doing wrong? Why!!! 
nexon has deemed you unworthy to sit in the chair with mouse ears!!! they secretly laugh as "mwhahahaha"
really tho, id just go to where you can make money from gacha and just buy a chair after theyre like 15 mil each (shouldnt be that far off, ~3x mil currently in Bello)
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I'm pretty sure the heart chair's rate from henesys decreased dramatically following the emergency patch.
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Harrisonized Wrote:This makes me wonder if there's a trick as well. I used 8 tix at Hene and still didn't get the chair, even though I have hella Set-Up space available. WTH am I doing wrong? Why!!! 
I bought 7 tickets with my spare NX and tried for the chair. I just got low level archer crap until my last ticket I got a racoon mask. So that made up for it. I guess that statement about increasing the gach rate for rare items was true after all.
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Everybody has their own tricks that works for them. Hell, I bought a 2 att 4 slots FS for 140m and scroll it with a 30, landed. ;] Plopped 3 60s, and 2 out of 3 landed. So yeah, use whatever method that works for you. I like to jump as high as possible and then scroll my items, works for 'me', not sure if it does for other people, but I've scrolled some decent things with my own method.
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The trick to Gach is wasting more money than the next guy. It's a "get rich quick" scheme. Zipangu Gach outputs dark scrolls, which is pretty steady, but people gach in other places as well, hoping for the ultra-rare goodies. Most of these goodies can be gotten by conserving money and looking for a deal. I personally got my lvl 130 Ele Wand for 230 million. It IS below average, but come on, 230 mil for a lvl 130 Ele Wand? People spend how much gaching for those?
Let's say you have 60k NX to spend. You can spend these 60k on 70 gach tickets, or you can make six APQ mules, and buy three 20k weddings, and marry all of them to each other. APQ demands much more patience than Gach, but even if you get lucky with those 70 tickets, with those 6 married characters you can APQ a total of 12 times a day every day forever! Let's say for the moment you get 1 onyx apple per 2 trips, so 6 Onyx Apples a day. If you sell the Apples for 2.8 mil, that's 16.8 mil per DAY APQing. Selling Apples is easier than selling scrolls because you simply sell in bulk to the Horntailing squads. And no matter how lucky you get with 70 gach tickets, at 16.8 mil per day APQing, you WILL exceed the profits through Gach tickets. Moreover, while Gach is a bottomless hole, and you flush money over and over again, the APQ is PERMANENT. Those 60k will be all you'll ever really spend there.
I don't think there's any real counterargument to this. Most of my friends that merchant reported that APQ was a major factor in helping them make their billions. Gach is simply a quicker easier buck, but you'll end up spending more. So that's the trick -- use your NX wisely and don't Gach.
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Quantact Wrote:Let's say you have 60k NX to spend. You can spend these 60k on 70 gach tickets, or you can make six APQ mules, and buy three 20k weddings, and marry all of them to each other. APQ demands much more patience than Gach, but even if you get lucky with those 70 tickets, with those 6 married characters you can APQ a total of 12 times a day every day forever! Let's say for the moment you get 1 onyx apple per 2 trips, so 6 Onyx Apples a day. If you sell the Apples for 2.8 mil, that's 16.8 mil per DAY APQing. Selling Apples is easier than selling scrolls because you simply sell in bulk to the Horntailing squads. And no matter how lucky you get with 70 gach tickets, at 16.8 mil per day APQing, you WILL exceed the profits through Gach tickets. Moreover, while Gach is a bottomless hole, and you flush money over and over again, the APQ is PERMANENT. Those 60k will be all you'll ever really spend there.
I don't think there's any real counterargument to this. Most of my friends that merchant reported that APQ was a major factor in helping them make their billions. Gach is simply a quicker easier buck, but you'll end up spending more. So that's the trick -- use your NX wisely and don't Gach.
I can think of a few.
1) Luck. Most people in my guild eventually get apple-less streaks that last many many runs. Record was 12 i think. You assuming 1 apple per run is ridiculous. :/
2) Time. Do you really have the patience to grind 6 40+ characters so they can actually APQ? Most people don't even take 4x because they don't trust their connection or they could die or something stupid.
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Takebacker Wrote:I can think of a few.
1) Luck. Most people in my guild eventually get apple-less streaks that last many many runs. Record was 12 i think. You assuming 1 apple per run is ridiculous. :/
I didnt' say 1 apple per run I said 1 apple in 2 runs. Please don't straw-man my argument.
Luck is luck. I've been on runs where a single person got 2-3 apples in that one run. Saying you'll get apples 1/2 of the time is pretty fair. Saying your appleless streaks are somehow permanent is not. If APQ wasn't profitable, all those people who do it, wouldn't do it. Weddings sell well
Quote:2) Time. Do you really have the patience to grind 6 40+ characters so they can actually APQ? Most people don't even take 4x because they don't trust their connection or they could die or something stupid.
The "my time is valuable" argument doesn't work too well for Maplers, to be honest. You're not the CEO of McDonalds, you're playing a game. Maple is itself the act of wasting time (and money) to have fun. By wasting time to get godly gear, you'll waste less time grinding to the level you want. If you want the absolute best gear you can either blow 60-80 bucks on weddings and farm, or blow like $2,500 on Gach, and along with that gach you'll be buying stuff like hired merchant to sell the Gach; or at the very least you'll waste a lot of playing time in FM while your stuff sells -- a non-issue with apples. Compare the time to get a nice spot in FM, and the total time to sell your Gach, to the time APQing. As far as infinite gach, if your grandma is rich beyond the dreams of avarcie and your allowance is $110,000 per month, (I actually knew such a person,) then you can gach all you want. Otherwise, the best option is to have patience. To people without tons of money, having infinite mesos for low cost provided they work for them is better than having finite mesos without work at greater cost.
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