The thread for Str-less brawlers

where should i go at 27? i was at sand rats for the past few levels but should i stay? also which is better? 45 att 2 str pumpkin spear? or 52 att white rose?

where should i go at 27? i was at sand rats for the past few levels but should i stay? also which is better? 45 att 2 str pumpkin spear? or 52 att white rose?

i owuld say use the rose but im sure someone esle will say sumthing different...

I find this more pointless than a Perma-Beginner.

I find this more pointless than a Perma-Beginner.

Agreed. The build looks fun, but I can't see any practical uses for it.

godleh avoid. i have 267 avoid at lvl 30

i would like to see some dmg ss for the hell of it

This character seems more comparable to HP Warriors, I think.

you don't seem to get the "point" of being str-less... well... there's no point really... you could consider it more as a "challenge"...

there are a couple of people who play Final Fantasy X, decide to play through the whole game "sphere-less"... spheres are the FFX leveling up and skill upgrade system... why would you go sphere-less when you can easily beat them by using spheres? well same thing really... we put up a challenge and test ourselves to see if we can achieve that goal... and they have. and you can pretty much sense they're a LOT more satisfied at beating the game sphere-less than beating it first hand with everything allowed...

there were also "one character only" etc which set up different challenges. just consider perma-beginners, HP warriors, STR clerics, STR-less brawlers, etc as a "big challenge" to the players who chose to follow those paths...

anyways... having more damage is just a "bonus"... it's not something "WE HAVE TO GET!" we're going str-less because we chose to be weaker... but being stronger in the weaker spectrum is always better... and that's not by "adding points into str" which defeats the purpose

and no, dex is NOT better than str... and WHAT KIND of a weapon gives DEX bonus?!? *that a pirate can wear*

and the MORE you have of that "bonus stat", the less useful that bonus the weapon gives is useful.

if i had more str, say all dex into str, then that 9 str from tuna wouldn't do much at all... but since i don't have any (only 4 from top and 4 base) that 9 makes a HUMONGOUS difference

and the extra dex i get for not adding str *21 points now* compared to the weapon attack the gun would offer is not worth it.

gun is VERY weak... it's fast, but still weak. using double fire with a lvl 10 gun is DEFINITELY out of the question. ANYTHING else, even fish spear would be better than the lvl 10 gun.

and YES it IS bothering me to put points into str, because that would make me NOT str-less anymore

the definiteion of str-less is NO STR ADDED (or only 4 base str)

you were talking about weapon choices, i reply with what i think:
if you want a better weapon? go for the ones with more str. instead of wep att. of course wep att is also important just not as much as str. for the same range

Drop the gun thing. I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about:
"and no, dex is NOT better than str... and WHAT KIND of a weapon gives DEX bonus?!? *that a pirate can wear*"

Yes, DEX is better than STR on a pure DEX brawler. Otherwise, you'd just add points to STR.

So, though it may be counter-intuitive, as far as equips go DEX should also > STR. Otherwise it just makes no sense.

Oh, I'm not saying weapon attack is necessarily better. Both stats could be considered better than attack. Then in that case yes, a STR weapon would be better than a higher attack weapon.

But if you make sense, you'd take a DEX cape over a STR one.

lvl 29!

dex cape over str?
i'd take str but i still refuse to put points into str

Yes, DEX is better than STR on a pure DEX brawler. Otherwise, you'd just add points to STR.
that doesn't make sense... which stat is better than another is defined by your job... not what "special build you are following"
Brawlers / Warriors: STR > DEX > anything else
Bowmen / Gunslingers: DEX > STR > anything else
Thieves: LUK > anything else
Magicians: INT > anything else

but the secondary stat may provide you with some "attributes" that can be more useful... but not necessarily mean better. the "alternate build" is "alternate" because of that... it's not "better" but it's another way of doing it.

you don't have to go for the "best" way... that's what i'm saying... not because i put points in DEX that it's necessarily better than STR, on the contrary, it's NOT better... but i still go with DEX because of that "attribute" of avoid

if you still don't understand what i'm trying to say, then forget it... i won't bother trying to explain anymore...

oh and i just found out blue bamboo hat had a 30 str requirement T.T owells...

if strikers have the same avoid formula as brawlers (which they should). this would be the perfect build for a non leeching SI mule that I can use at guardians and eventually time temple. all that avoid would make getting to the training place a breeze

Reviving this thread because I remade another strless brawler and I'm loving it again. If anyone else still plays one post it up, lets not start the math/dmg calculations and crap again though.

I wanna see some Buccs that are STR less. That will peak my interest.

Once I hit 40 I can do some serious leveling, its insane exp for me cause I only need to do 1 damage. But I like normal grinding cause, eh I unno I just do. Ill try to post some dmg and whatnot as I get higher up.
But yeah, a strless bucc would be very interesting. Deff would be hard as pineapple to get to without leeching. Btw I did this pq form 25-31 and didn't get a single thing but pots but in the data it says you can get weps. I had bout 1k white and 1k blue but no weps.

I wonder though, if someone ever made it to max avoid would you go into str then or keep going with dex for the stability(lol). Guess this is speculation and would change on a person to person basis.

I think actually if I ever somehow make it to 9x id start getting good str gear and get enough str to equip a lvl90-100 knuckle. Sure it would defeat the strless but it's my char right? lol

ANOTHER EDIT: I'm in galicia so I cant use the maple knuckles till the aniversary.

lvl 29!

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dex cape over str?
i'd take str but i still refuse to put points into str

Yes, DEX is better than STR on a pure DEX brawler. Otherwise, you'd just add points to STR.
that doesn't make sense... which stat is better than another is defined by your job... not what "special build you are following"
Brawlers / Warriors: STR > DEX > anything else
Bowmen / Gunslingers: DEX > STR > anything else
Thieves: LUK > anything else
Magicians: INT > anything else

but the secondary stat may provide you with some "attributes" that can be more useful... but not necessarily mean better. the "alternate build" is "alternate" because of that... it's not "better" but it's another way of doing it.

you don't have to go for the "best" way... that's what i'm saying... not because i put points in DEX that it's necessarily better than STR, on the contrary, it's NOT better... but i still go with DEX because of that "attribute" of avoid

if you still don't understand what i'm trying to say, then forget it... i won't bother trying to explain anymore...

oh and i just found out blue bamboo hat had a 30 str requirement T.T owells...

I've got to agree with Russt on this, but for possibly a different reason. Your STRless and as such the use of STR boosting equipment should be looked at negatively, your contradicting your own build. Your equipment should be heavily DEX prioritised to the best possible avoid bonus you can achieve. As for your little spat over pirate weapons not adding DEX I suggest you take the time to look for some knuckle acc scrolls or simply not use a weapon at all like my Brawler does from time to time.

And I feel the whole spear, pole arm thing got taken way out of context.
SSK is a forced stab going off this thread, I wouldnt have a clue so we'll use that unless proven wrong.
Spears do better damage in a stab and weaker damage in a swing.
Pole arms do better damage in a swing and weaker damage in a stab.
Look more closely at DKs and DrKs with Crusher and Fury and their weapon prefrences to get a clearer example.
As such with close to equal stat weapons a spear is going to provide better damage than its pole arm counterpart.

New to the Pirate thing so chances are I'm possibly wrong but thats my 2 cents.