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Green4Ever Wrote:True, but the range and button mashing aspects still apply.
Actually...if you use XPadder, you can set the BB button to "Rapid Fire". I've never had experience where doing this disconnects you, and with charged spells or hold down abilities, it spams them really fast. In the case of Hurricane-like skills you're slower, but in the case of spamming BB, you'll cast it faster than you ever could humanly.
Range is still an issue though.
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Bomber Wrote:Pretty sure all mages have a fixed faster(2) speed. But i guess i wouldn't know. It's Fast (4) for Adventurers under normal conditions AFAIK. Evans are the ones always at Fastest (2) I believe.
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IImaplers Wrote:I don't think that's the case. With spamming BB, you can probably do about 120+ casts per minute (about 2 per second), and each is 5 hits so ~600 hits per minute. While with CL you do ~88 casts per minute, and each is 6 hits so that's 528 hits per minute. That's about 70 extra hits.
Also I wonder if Decent SI helps uncharged BB when it's spammed.
Green4Ever Wrote:Nope. Decent SI does noticeably affect mages.
It's different from W.Att based classes in that it changes casting speed instead of weapon speed.
No, Magicians use Weapon Speed like every other character in the game. There is no difference from "Casting Speed" and "Weapon Speed" other than the flavour text of it being associated with Magic. It is capped at 2. Big Bang is the same speed as Paralyze. Stop misinforming people.
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JoeTang Wrote:No, Magicians use Weapon Speed like every other character in the game. There is no difference from "Casting Speed" and "Weapon Speed" other than the flavour text of it being associated with Magic. It is capped at 2. Big Bang is the same speed as Paralyze. Stop misinforming people.
Magician skills are not affected by weapon speed though. With the exception being BaM, of course.
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JoeTang Wrote:Big Bang is the same speed as Paralyze. Stop misinforming people.
Care to elaborate? The emphasis was on how many casts of each skill can be done per minute (spamming Para/CL/AR versus tapping uncharged Big Bang), and it was established that Decent SI adds more casts to Para/CL/AR. The question is how many casts it would add to uncharged BB. And were those values that I posted inaccurate? Because I pretty much made an educated guess on uncharged BB having ~120 casts per min.
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If nothing changed, Big Bang takes exactly 720ms to cast + charge time, the same speed of Paralyze. Chain Lightning is faster, at 630ms IIRC.
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Shidoshi Wrote:If nothing changed, Big Bang takes exactly 720ms to cast + charge time, the same speed of Paralyze. Chain Lightning is faster, at 630ms IIRC.
Paralyze and Big Bang are both 810ms to cast without Booster. With booster, it becomes 630ms. Chain Lightning is 780ms, with booster becomes 600ms.
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So what you guys are implying is that uncharged Big Bang (booster, no SI/DSI) does only 84 casts a minute at max, just like paralyze? I find that hard to believe. (I wish I could test this out now but I'm gone for two weeks  ).
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IImaplers Wrote:So what you guys are implying is that uncharged Big Bang (booster, no SI/DSI) does only 84 casts a minute at max, just like paralyze? I find that hard to believe. (I wish I could test this out now but I'm gone for two weeks ).
I thought this was pretty common knowledge?
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Shidoshi Wrote:I thought this was pretty common knowledge? I wasn't aware of it. Would you have a source? I was pretty certain that you can cast 2 uncharged BB in 1 second.
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IImaplers Wrote:I wasn't aware of it. Would you have a source? I was pretty certain that you can cast 2 uncharged BB in 1 second.
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=3217
I also personally tested it at the introduction of 4th job, Big Bang, and another update after that I can't recall, but I want to say Union. You're free to go ahead and try to prove me wrong though.
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JoeTang Wrote:http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=3217
I also personally tested it at the introduction of 4th job, Big Bang, and another update after that I can't recall, but I want to say Union. You're free to go ahead and try to prove me wrong though.
Thanks. I've seen that thread but wasn't sure if it was completely up-to-date, and probably skimmed/browsed it too fast to notice the part on BB.
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JoeTang Wrote:Paralyze and Big Bang are both 810ms to cast without Booster. With booster, it becomes 630ms. Chain Lightning is 780ms, with booster becomes 600ms. With just booster? I thought booster made the speed Faster (4), not Fastest (2). My whole life has been a lie.
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Kalemora Wrote:With just booster? I thought booster made the speed Faster (4), not Fastest (2). My whole life has been a lie.
My bad, I meant with Booster and Speed Infusion.
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