Test build "Maxed TT with late MW and low-levelled Venom"

lv 120: 1 Triple Throw ; 1 Venom ; 1 Shadow Stars
lv 121: 3 TT (4)
122: 3 TT (7)
123: 3 TT (10)
124: 3 Venom (4)
125: 3 Venom (7)
126: 3 Venom (10)
127: 3 Venom (13)
128: 3 TT (13)
129: 3 TT (16)
130: 3 TT (19)
131: 1 TT (20) ; 2 Shadow Shifter (2)
132: 3 Shadow Shifter (5)
133: 3 Shadow Shifter (8)
134: 3 Shadow Shifter (11)
135: 3 Shadow Shifter (14)
136: 1 Shadow Shifter (15) ; 2 Shadow Stars (3)
137: 3 Shadow Stars (6)
138: 3 Shadow Stars (8)
139: 3 Shadow Stars (11)
140: 3 Shadow Stars (14)
141: 1 Shadow Stars (15) ; 2 Shadow Shifter (17)
142: 3 Shadow Shifter (20)
143: 3 Shadow Shifter (23)
144: 3 Shadow Shifter (26)
145: 3 Shadow Shifter (29)
146: 3 Triple Throw (23)
147: 3 Triple Throw (26)
148: 3 Triple Throw (29)
149: 1 TT (MAXED) ; 1 Shadow Shifter (MAXED) ; 1 Ninja Storm (1)
150: 3 Maple Warrior (3) OR 3 Venom (16)



Wanted to see for myself if this build was do-able. TT30 is going down in price, and I wanted to get TT30 really early without MW, or late MW because most other NLs / Bishops / whatever has lv 19+ MW. I maxed Shifter for the purpose of bossing, and Shadow Stars at lv 15 is plenty enough. Lv13 Venom is about 3 seconds duration with 20% success rate, so I'd figured that's enough as well. I wanted to get TT30 really early because:

a) I plan on quitting BY 150, and only coming on to HT.
b) Not planning to get past 150...

Efficiency of build:

-Better at bossing
-"Okay" at training
-Less pots used because of maxed Shifter
-Less stars consumed with lv 15 Shadow Stars [1.5 minutes] vs lv 1 Shadow Stars [1 minute] (benefits C-ilbies more, since I plan on using quite a lot of them)

Disadvantages:

-Relies on others for MW
-"Okay" at training, but not great. Kills slower w/o maxed Venom

yes, for your plans this build is fine...

I would get either level 1/11/21 venom, cause those are the levels when the duration goes up by one second (damage applies once more). Venom 11 is decent for training, and if you want to boss, then there isnt likely going to be the disadvantage of not having MW, as chances are someone else will have it.

EDIT: although, if you plan on using a weapon that requires you to have MW, it would be a good idea to either get interchangeable luck/dex capes/another gear, or just to simply not do it. It would be opitmal for bossing with those with MW, although more expensive.

I thought we decided here that TT first would be best and would increase your dpm/dps in both bossing and training.

Fake as an NL isn't as noticeable as for shadowers. You'd need 16+ before you notice a difference, so might as well do MW9 after TT20. From there, if you wanna speed up training, do vemon. If you wanna slow down training and save more pots, do fake after tt20, mw9.

I thought we decided here that TT first would be best and would increase your dpm/dps in both bossing and training.

Fake as an NL isn't as noticeable as for shadowers. You'd need 16+ before you notice a difference, so might as well do MW9 after TT20. From there, if you wanna speed up training, do vemon. If you wanna slow down training and save more pots, do fake after tt20, mw9.

Honestly.. I really don't see a purpose in MW anymore, especially in a crowded server such as Scania, almost everyone has it. So it'd be more of a waste to put 9 SPs into MW than it is to Venom/Fake (Shifter). <___< Everyone I know has MW. My Dark Knight friends in guild has MW, my one NL friend in guild has lv 19 MW, my Bishop has MW, and so on.

EDIT: Just to clarify a bit more.

TT30 instead of lv 9 MW because everyone one has lv 10+ MW, I'd rather make use of that situation. I also know that as a Night Lord, a Shadower's Fake will always be better. 40% vs 30% iirc. But more avoid = less pots used. -shrugs- Seeing as how my end-game level is 150, another reason to add to my list why MW9 is useless for my NL. <_<

I really think you should keep Shadow Star as level 1. Even level 1 saves you a lot of stars.

The reason why I see you would want to save stars is for either:
1. longer training
2. bossing

1. more stars for longer trainning
Pro: longer training means you get more time on a map to gain more exp.
Con: with all the points into shadow star at early level, you set back at putting points into other skills that would increase your DPS. A higher DPS means a higher killing spawn rate.
Example : If you made 10% an hour normally and you get to expand that time for half an hour, you make around 15% in 90 mins. That averages 0.1667%/min
vs.
If you make 12% an hour. That averages .2%/min

2. longer stars for bossing
Pros : You do save stars at bossing. Come out HT with extra stars.
Cons : Again, with all the points added into Shadow star, you could had increase your DPS and you could help kill HT a bit faster. Maybe not a whole lot, but in theory, it will kill HT faster. faster dead boss = less stars used. I remember reading that level 1 shadow star is already good enough for bossing.

Conclusion for Shadow stars at early level : It comes to what you like really. there is no set build. you can do what you want. it's just if you perfer to having just enough stars for trainning and bossing or adding points into shadow star.

-------

Regards about early venom, get TT as high as you can and as early as you can.

tt30 is a joke upgrade. fk it. imo, tt30 is one of the last things you should add sp to.

tt30 is a joke upgrade. fk it. imo, tt30 is one of the last things you should add sp to.

Yeah pretty much

855%->900% without SE
1332%->1377% with SE

Either way it's less than 5% that MW10 adds. So really anything you'd get before MW is also better than TT30.

i plan on getting my TT to 20 asap then getting venom to maybe 10? ive asked some NL buddies i know and they said that lvl 10 is good enough for trainin. so maybe TT20 -> SS30 -> Venom -> MW? -> TT30? i might do that build =p

My MW finally hit 9 when I leveled to 166 a few weeks back.



Venom > Shadow Stars

My MW finally hit 9 when I leveled to 166 a few weeks back.



Venom > Shadow Stars

-read everything that everyone posted-

Venom 10-13 is efficient. I was thinking about getting higher-levelled Venom, but iirc, Venom doesn't work on bosses... Like I said before, I plan on quitting or it being my end-game level at 150. Which is why I wanted TT30. Everyone has MW.. EVERYONE!!!!! No point in wasting 9 SPs into that, I'd rather dump it into Shadow Stars..

@banditcom: Ah, see? Banditcom only got his to lv 9 at 166, this tells you that you really don't need MW anyways. <_< Everyone I know has MW, this eliminates my need/desire to get MW.

@aDudeinRed: Right, everything has a drawback. I figured out mine. ;] Lv 1 is enough, but I get annoyed of getting dispelled/debuffed on when I use lv 1 Shadow Stars. <_< Also, it lasts for a min or so, which means constantly tapping it every min, which gets annoying and tedious. I'd rather tap it once every 1.5 mins, less annoying that way. I also didn't max it because 15 more SPs for only 30 seconds is dumb.. Thus why it's being capped at 15.

Thanks for everyone's input, I think I made my choice, and sticking with this build. ;] <3

mmm ive got max fake max shadow stars, i really cant tell the diff between lvl 10 fake and lvl 30, although the % is higher it really doesnt save u anymore pots like it should. back when our avoid wasnt nerfed as f*** and we could get missed 30+ times in a row at zak with about 500 avoid, maybe fake would be godly, but its really not.

max tt, since ur not gonna train no need for venom, but mw20 is nice to have even so.