Iowa Woman Jailed for Thinking about an Abortion, among other cases.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/14...n-Abortion

These cases are just disgusting. I'm pro-choice, and it's fine if you think otherwise, but for the love of God, forcing a mother to have a baby, despite what their situation is, is completely unacceptable to me. That third case is a good example of what I mean, and of course there are cases of rape and extreme poverty as well.

There are already enough children without families, putting a child up for adoption is not an acceptable solution to me.

I could have put this in Angry Dome but this is probably better suited here for discussion towards the article.

Marietta, mind if I ask you something?
"There are already enough children without families, putting a child up for adoption is not an acceptable solution to me."
If putting the child up for adoption isn't an acceptable solution what would be?

The article itself? I find it intrusive and immoral. A woman falls down some stairs and she's being arrested because the doctors think she intentionally threw herself down them? Yeah okay.

Marietta, mind if I ask you something?
"There are already enough children without families, putting a child up for adoption is not an acceptable solution to me."
If putting the child up for adoption isn't an acceptable solution what would be?

If it's come to that, then that's fine, but I just don't see it as the best solution. If the mother can not handle raising a child and no other family member will be able to raise it for her, then it's either that or an abortion, provided it's as early as possible. Just because I don't find it an acceptable solution, doesn't mean it shouldn't be a solution at all. I see it as more of a last resort, especially if you don't want an abortion. But I've seen people go "just put it up for adoption," as if it will automatically solve the problem when there's a chance the child could wind up with no family at all.

It is there as an option but it's personally not an option I would primarily go for. There's still the pregnancy process itself and to me, it's a depressing thought to give birth and then give the child away. At least it would be to me, I can understand if people would see it a different way but to me, it's less emotionally painful to abort as early as possible than to have a child, possibly forming an emotional bond in that moment, and then giving it away, knowing that you can't keep it and knowing it may not even find a (good) foster home.

I'm not a mother so I wouldn't know for sure on that last bit. I'm honestly no debater, so I just know my post will be chewed out somehow. :I

Nah, that's fine. I can understand what you're saying as there's enough kids that wind up in foster care as it is. Personally I'd prefer to adopt a kid than have my own so my own opinion's a bit skewed on the matter of what to do with the newborn if it is indeed born.

I myself am pro-choice, despite my own creation. I just find it ridiculous that those women were in those situations, especially the one where the mother was forced to be kept in a hospital just to miscarry in the end.

I think the woman should have kept her mouth shut. Sorry.
There are too many people out there who can't leave well enough alone. That poor woman was in obvious distress and intead of offering counseling or something, they lock her up. Stupid.
Whatever your opinion is, it's a personal thing that is nobody's business. Meh.

First I have to say I think there is some misrepresentation here, but... overall I am having some difficulty interpreting what these articles are saying.
I think it might be that she was arrested because they believe she intentionally fell, not because she thought of an abortion.
Its hard to tell, because the article is poorly written and bias.

Although, I guess I could forgive how poorly it is written. Arresting her was excessive and the reason was assinine. Arresting anyone for falling down the stairs is assinine. Then arresting anyone for simply having a thought is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of - welcome to 1984.
Even if you are "pro-life" as they say, you should be angry over this issue.

Our hospitals, police forces, and legal system is just far too flooded with mindless idiots these days.

First I have to say I think there is some misrepresentation here, but... overall I am having some difficulty interpreting what these articles are saying.
I think it might be that she was arrested because they believe she intentionally fell, not because she thought of an abortion.
Its hard to tell, because the article is poorly written and bias.

Although, I guess I could forgive how poorly it is written. Arresting her was excessive and the reason was assinine. Arresting anyone for falling down the stairs is assinine. Then arresting anyone for simply having a thought is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of - welcome to 1984.
Even if you are "pro-life" as they say, you should be angry over this issue.

Our hospitals, police forces, and legal system is just far too flooded with mindless idiots these days.

hi, i am pro-life, and i think this is BS, it's just like "feminists"

That's such a sensationalist bullpomegranate headline. The article written of pomegranatety second hand sources. The article that that aritcle used as seemingly it's sole source was written using second hand sources by a New Yorker who is currently a graduate student for theater. It's literally second hand second hand sensationalized sensationalism. This theater student hack essentially writes the same type of stuff for every story. http://news.change.org/authors/roxann-mtjoy

Notice a pattern? It isn't solid fact checking.

Want a report that is a bit more established and factual? Here.

Want their source from the Des Moines register? Here.

Want to know some basic details? Attempted feticide, which is a crime and has been ruled in federal as well as state courts to not violate legalized abortion laws and rights, is a felony. Hospitals are obligated to report crimes. Because of the situation or something this woman said, hospital staff become suspicious this was her intent. The hospital is legally compelled to report this as with any other crime. They did the right thing.

She was not arrested for thinking about abortion, which she evidentially told one of the nurses she had thought about it, likely raising suspicions about her accident; she was arrested because she was suspected of feticide which is once again a crime in Iowa (among other states). She was never prosecuted.

I'm pro-choice. I am however opposed to illegal, back alley, and at-home abortions or attempts at such. Trying to take something like that into any hands that aren't professional in nature is just idiotic. I think feticide should be a crime in all 50 states. I also think Christine Taylor is not guilty of it.

Most of all though, I'm just disgusted at how this issue was twisted.

evidentially i fail at cleaning up links.

Also i think this topic belongs in current events.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6...04083.html
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/desmoinesreg...r osecuted

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Clicking on those should work. And thanks for posting some much less bias sources.

"Whatever Taylor said or didn't say has been rendered moot, however, because charges of feticide in Iowa are only applicable in the third trimester. Taylor's pregnancy was in its second trimester when the fall occurred. That apparently means that issues of patient confidentiality, fetal rights, women's rights and everything in between can all be ignored for the time being."

Anyway, this doesnt change that the arrest was uncalled for in my opinion.

That's such a sensationalist bullpomegranate headline. The article written of pomegranatety second hand sources. The article that that aritcle used as seemingly it's sole source was written using second hand sources by a New Yorker who is currently a graduate student for theater. It's literally second hand second hand sensationalized sensationalism. This theater student hack essentially writes the same type of stuff for every story. http://news.change.org/authors/roxann-mtjoy

Notice a pattern? It isn't solid fact checking.

Want a report that is a bit more established and factual? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6255683-504083.html

Want their source from the Des Moines register? http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/desmoinesregister/access/1959100241.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Feb+10%2C+2010&author=LEE+ROOD&pub=Des+Moines+Register&edition=&startpage=A.1&desc=%27I+never+said+I+didn%27t+want+my+baby%27%3A+Mom+won%27t+be+prosecuted

Want to know some basic details? Attempted feticide, which is a crime and has been ruled in federal as well as state courts to not violate legalized abortion laws and rights, is a felony. Hospitals are obligated to report crimes. Because of the situation or something this woman said, hospital staff become suspicious this was her intent. The hospital is legally compelled to report this as with any other crime. They did the right thing.

She was not arrested for thinking about abortion, which she evidentially told one of the nurses she had thought about it, likely raising suspicions about her accident; she was arrested because she was suspected of feticide which is once again a crime in Iowa (among other states). She was never prosecuted.

I'm pro-choice. I am however opposed to illegal, back alley, and at-home abortions or attempts at such. Trying to take something like that into any hands that aren't professional in nature is just idiotic. I think feticide should be a crime in all 50 states. I also think Christine Taylor is not guilty of it.

Most of all though, I'm just disgusted at how this issue was twisted.

evidentially i fail at cleaning up links.

Also i think this topic belongs in current events.

Okay that's one article. You have a point in that perhaps she did intentionally throw herself down the flight of stairs.

How about the woman who was held in the hospital against her wishes?

EDIT: Ignore this post.

Okay that's one article. You have a point in that perhaps she did intentionally throw herself down the flight of stairs.

I don't think she threw herself down the stairs intentionally. I think she is innocent of the charge. I'm not making that point. What i am saying is that she raised suspicions amongst the staff and i think the staff acted on those suspicions properly. The staff didn't go "hey cops this woman thought about abortion earlier in her pregnancy arrest her!!1!" It was something more along the lines of "We think this woman may have attempted feticide." It ended up not mattering due to the age of the fetus, but i think she would not have been prosecuted anyway.

How about the woman who was held in the hospital against her wishes?

Or from the alternate perspective was ordered bed-rest by her doctor due to the baby being in severe risk of miscarriage and her basically just responding 'lolno' When your doctor orders something like that and you basically just say i'm not going to do it, you don't put the doctor in an easy position. The fact that she miscarried only three days later only shows her case was pretty severe.

Besides i think i made a clear demonstration of how pomegranatety the first article was to have to go hunting for the really far-fetched sources that may accompany the second.

The bottom line is, she (Burton) was fully intending to carry that child to term. And by other sources she didn't ask for a referral politely, as the article may put on, but resisted the possibility of bed rest (and possibly as well as quitting smoking as well, but that's my personal speculation) forcefully.

One of the more interesting things i found is this excerpt from a body of quotes from her appeal lawyer (not a court appointed lawyer if that makes a difference to any of you).

"The court order was so broad it was one of civil commitment," he said. "It basically said any treatment deemed necessary to respect the fetal health and made her a ward of her doctor."

"This was not refusal of medical care, it was about who decides and in what setting," he said. "When I walked into her hospital room I saw no monitor, she was alone in a bland room, not unlike a prison cell, not the kind of place you'd want to spend three months alone in separated from your family."

The state has argued that the court order was necessary because the medical well-being of the fetus was at stake. Burton, they say, had also refused to stop smoking.

It seems like he's not making a case for a repeal of the law or anything. But wanting limits on how broad these court orders for hospitals can be. Seems fair. Oh it should be noted she's not seeking financial restitution. My thought is that is with the advice of one or two of her lawyers. She wouldn't get it and it would just hurt the second half of the case.

Sauce. excerpt I used on page 2. Thanks to Mr. Moose for teaching me how to do the linkin.