DEXless to Low-DEX Craven conversion path

With all of the new advantages emerging for DEX-stat Night Lords, I've decided it's time for me to put away my Skanda and try to improve my character a bit. I've determined what equipment I should be looking at, but since I've never really done a complete overhaul of my gear before, I'd like to ask for some advice from those of you who have.

Given that funding is going to be an issue, the range I'm looking at is around 7-8b (in Beran meso). My claw at the moment is 61 ATT, so in order for this all to be worth it I'm looking for a 15-20 ATT increase minimum.

That being considered, in what order would it be most cost-effective and logical for me to upgrade my equipment? Generally, I figured I would keep a general idea for my weapon in my mind and wait to purchase it after I've got a majority of the build completed. Primarily because I'm paranoid and have absolutely no confidence in Nexon doing something to protect the market

My initial idea would've been along the lines of the following (all equipments scrolled for DEX unless otherwise noted):

 Spoiler

Scarlion/Targa/Zakum Helmet ->
Robe ->
Earrings ->
Face Accessory ->
Shoes (Facestompers, later switched to Maker'd shoes scrolled for ATT) ->
Eye Accessory

Naturally, my medal and Mark of Naricain cover a bit of that, so I've excluded them from the list.

Given that prices are different for equipment in every world--while some may be more similar than others--I'd really like some advice on what would be most practical here.

See, don't know about you 'male' character Night Lords, but for my 'female' Night Lord, I used a top and bot. Mind you, a lv 50 top (scrolled for LUK) and bot (for DEX), and I use a Craven. I have like uhhhh 70 DEX or something though, I really need to down that.

7 x 3 = 21 x 2 => 42 total stats, excluding base stats. ex: Top is 5 LUK / 2 DEX, bot: 2 LUK / 1 DEX, 42 + 5 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 52 stats total. About the same as a 'perfect' scrolled sauna/bathrobe.

-shrug-

I say, with the current advances of this game, I really don't see a point in using a Craven IF you have money to blow like there's no tomorrow. Most NLs these days can afford a Reverse-claw. I only stuck with my Craven because I like the color of the claw (yes, I'm not joking..), that and it's near 70 attack.

Typical NL gear is something like:

17-19 att SCG (ex: I have a 17 att scg)
Scrolled zhelm back in the days
Top + bot OR overall (around 35-45 points of stats would suffice)
10+ att PAC
FS (if you're low dex, scroll for DEX, otherwise, chaos-scroll away)
15+ DEX earrings

I can't remember what else, uh, I'll edit this later.

Typical NL gear is something like:

17-19 att SCG (ex: I have a 17 att scg)
Scrolled zhelm back in the days
Top + bot OR overall (around 35-45 points of stats would suffice)
10+ att PAC
FS (if you're low dex, scroll for DEX, otherwise, chaos-scroll away)
15+ DEX earrings

I can't remember what else, uh, I'll edit this later.

That makes me depressed =[. What's your range though?

New advantages for dex Night Lords?

We keep getting more atk gear, which always favours being dexless... hell, Snowshoes are going to be the best shoe easily. 2 extra slots of atk > ~12-15 base stats through Maker.

Due to those shoes, the helm dex scrolls are the only scrollable equip that is dex-only, no luk/atk option available. Even with a 35 dex helm and various assorted dex from equips (pendant, medal, rings, etc.) it's a long way from 25 base dex to 140 total. If you lose out on 70 luk, but gain 15 atk, it's not really much of an improvement.

I still maintain that low-dex is for low-funding, dexless is for higher funding. Once you can afford a 6x dexless claw and atk cape/shoes, you're better off dexless. If you have stat cape/shoes then it's meaningful to be low-dex.

New advantages for dex Night Lords?

We keep getting more atk gear, which always favours being dexless... hell, Snowshoes are going to be the best shoe easily. 2 extra slots of atk > ~12-15 base stats through Maker.

Due to those shoes, the helm dex scrolls are the only scrollable equip that is dex-only, no luk/atk option available. Even with a 35 dex helm and various assorted dex from equips (pendant, medal, rings, etc.) it's a long way from 25 base dex to 140 total. If you lose out on 70 luk, but gain 15 atk, it's not really much of an improvement.

I still maintain that low-dex is for low-funding, dexless is for higher funding. Once you can afford a 6x dexless claw and atk cape/shoes, you're better off dexless. If you have stat cape/shoes then it's meaningful to be low-dex.

But the issue I've been running into is that, despite feeling as though I've got upper-rank gear (if anything, I do think I'm above the average in that regard), I'm not foreseeing being able to achieve the incredible numbers in attack power that some of the Low-DEX Night Lords have been gaining.

In being able to attain an 80+ attack claw while, at the same time, wearing an attack cape, shoe, and pendant, wouldn't the sacrificed 70 LUK be an incremental loss at most?

When fooling around with the ubiquitous Night Lord Damage Calculator, I can always find higher numbers when calculating Low-DEX builds. To compete while still remaining DEXless I'd have to spend multiples of the money that a Low-DEX character does.

Perhaps I'm missing something, hence why I created this thread. Is there some important factor that I'm overlooking here, or are there any calculations you could present to prove otherwise?

New advantages for dex Night Lords?

Ok, there's two ways to this. It's like a coin. Two sides. On one hand, we more attack gear, this is correct. However, as MS evolves as a game, they will continue to release higher-levelled claws. That is my point. That and the higher levelled you are, it has something to do with accumulated attack/luk or luk/att (I forgot which one it was), that determines your ?-LUK = 1-attack.

We keep getting more atk gear, which always favours being dexless... hell, Snowshoes are going to be the best shoe easily. 2 extra slots of atk > ~12-15 base stats through Maker.

I realize that, but I think the game favors DEX-NLs, because they will always release newer content for the upper classes. I really see it deemed as pointless to release statless equips over and over.

Due to those shoes, the helm dex scrolls are the only scrollable equip that is dex-only, no luk/atk option available. Even with a 35 dex helm and various assorted dex from equips (pendant, medal, rings, etc.) it's a long way from 25 base dex to 140 total. If you lose out on 70 luk, but gain 15 atk, it's not really much of an improvement.

I still maintain that low-dex is for low-funding, dexless is for higher funding. Once you can afford a 6x dexless claw and atk cape/shoes, you're better off dexless. If you have stat cape/shoes then it's meaningful to be low-dex.

But yes, you have to be able to afford very power gear in order to do all of this, otherwise, stay DEXless.

That makes me depressed =[. What's your range though?

My range is of no significance to anyone in here, because I already quit on August. I haven't logged in since, for the most part. I don't even remember my range, last I had checked, my gear was like uhhh:

-17 att SCG
-clean Zhelm
-? att PAC with 9 DEX
-2 att FS / 7 DEX (or was it 6 or 8 DEX?)
-20 LUK / 2 DEX top
-15 DEX / 2 LUK pants
-11 att MoN
-6x attack Red Craven (forgot stats..)
-Earrings that had really high LUK and DEX
-4 sets of Crystal Ilbies
-16 sets of Balanced Furies
-4 sets of Hwabis

Every NL and their mother > this now though, I assume. My gear's very outdated. Only my gloves were hammered.

But yes, you have to be able to afford very power gear in order to do all of this, otherwise, stay DEXless.



My range is of no significance to anyone in here, because I already quit on August. I haven't logged in since, for the most part. I don't even remember my range, last I had checked, my gear was like uhhh:

-17 att SCG
-clean Zhelm
-? att PAC with 9 DEX
-2 att FS / 7 DEX (or was it 6 or 8 DEX?)
-20 LUK / 2 DEX top
-15 DEX / 2 LUK pants
-11 att MoN
-6x attack Red Craven (forgot stats..)
-Earrings that had really high LUK and DEX
-4 sets of Crystal Ilbies
-16 sets of Balanced Furies
-4 sets of Hwabis

Every NL and their mother > this now though, I assume. My gear's very outdated. Only my gloves were hammered.

I consider your gear godly. The only things that I have that are better are; 12atk MoN, 2 B. Furies, and possibly the PAC.

But the issue I've been running into is that, despite feeling as though I've got upper-rank gear (if anything, I do think I'm above the average in that regard), I'm not foreseeing being able to achieve the incredible numbers in attack power that some of the Low-DEX Night Lords have been gaining.

In being able to attain an 80+ attack claw while, at the same time, wearing an attack cape, shoe, and pendant, wouldn't the sacrificed 70 LUK be an incremental loss at most?

When fooling around with the ubiquitous Night Lord Damage Calculator, I can always find higher numbers when calculating Low-DEX builds. To compete while still remaining DEXless I'd have to spend multiples of the money that a Low-DEX character does.

Perhaps I'm missing something, hence why I created this thread. Is there some important factor that I'm overlooking here, or are there any calculations you could present to prove otherwise?

Depends if you've got MW30 or not, you're forgetting the fact you could be MW dependant which saves a few points into your LUK pool (?)

However, I don't think you'll be sacrificing 70 Luk, my Nightlord has only 66+79 (145, could've lowered more) dex base with a non-scrolled zakum helmet, and has attack shoes, cape, gloves, pendant, belt, No mask (It's Maple Warrior dependant). If you're curious, my dex structure is on the flaunting thread.

I think with your high wealth status, you can easily make it being a dexless craven user while at the same time gaining those 15~25 atk points. Switching your LUK robe for a DEX robe, LUK earrings for DEX earrings, purchase 35+ dex helmet, 4 Ancient of STR rings & Aura, 7+ dex nose and as for the mask, I didn't even have one, so make that your own choise.

Keeping your base dex to 25 would be much better because your LUK points will sustain high when casted Maple Warrior. So goodluck~