Dexless or Low-dex - High DoT Output For NL

Currently which would be most beneficial to obtain the highest DoT (DPS/DPM) output, dexless or low dex build.

And would the new maker skill tip this, since people will be able to make better claws that require dex?

Your thoughts?

PS I really like numbers.

DEX-less; because having 25 base DEX and wearing a Timeless Claw is pro damage.

DEX-less; because having 25 base DEX and wearing a Timeless Claw is pro damage.

Too bad that isn't achievable without giving up better sources of damage like a MoN >_>

Timeless/Reverse Claw + Sleve beat any dexless claw if scrolled similarly.

In an Onyx Apple situation, dexless will provide the best DoT. At level 140 this is a guarantee, at level 180-190 it's closer and depends more on gear specifics.


With gear like a 9 atk shoe, 12 atk cape, 11 atk pendant, and 18 atk glove, the dexless route is undisputably better. It's when you can only afford a 10 stat shoe (eg. 10 dex) and normal stats cape (8 dex 2 atk) that low-dex stands a chance of winning. The more you replace dex/luk gear with atk, (Nexon has a history of doing this - 22/22 pendant becoming 5/5/10atk, dex shoes becoming atk shoes, etc.), the more dexless is powerful.


Filling out those "good" equips with a 36 dex 15 luk helm, 14 luk earring, 5 dex 5 luk eye, 8 dex face, 2 dex 2 luk medal, 30 luk bathrobe (and 40 stat katinas), 30 atk stars, you wind up with a basis of +71 luk, +66(56) dex, and +80 atk to add to your claw.

That means for a Timeless Claw, there's a 94 vs. 25 base dex, or 69 luk gap. Throwing in Onyx Apples and a 62 atk Skanda, the dexless has 242 w.atk and (at level 190) 947 luk 25 dex => MW20+gear => 1112 luk, or 13455 base atk. The low-dex has 878 luk 94 dex => MW20+gear => 1036 luk. To match 13455 base atk, they need 260 total atk. Or 80 atk Timeless Claw. +24 atk onto an average one. And that's at a pretty high level. The Skanda is +29 from average, so an extra 30% worth of scrolling, but I think you could buy 3 30%s and 3 Skandas for the cost of a Timeless :| There's also the small matter of finding a 36 dex helmet and 8 dex face equip, neither of which the dexless would have to buy.

If you go the "perfect weapon" route, that's about a 78 atk Raven Claw and 102 Timeless. Using a little extra luk (7 Raven, 15 Timeless) the numbers come out 14435 (dexless) vs. 14800 (low-dex), with the 11 atk due to leveling up + diamond acting in favour of the Timeless claw. If Pink Bean is undefeated and the best you could get is a Reverse Lampion, drop to ~98 atk and 14600.

In an Onyx Apple situation, dexless will provide the best DoT. At level 140 this is a guarantee, at level 180-190 it's possible that a poorly funded dexless would be outdamaged by a poorly funded low-dex, due to their specifically high atk:luk ratio.


With gear like a 9 atk shoe, 12 atk cape, 11 atk pendant, and 18 atk glove, the dexless route is undisputably better. It's when you can only afford a 10 stat shoe (eg. 10 dex) and normal stats cape (8 dex 2 atk) that low-dex stands a chance of winning.

...you realize most people use dex/luk items instead of items chaosed for a bunch of attack and that capes above 8-9 attack are really expensive, right?

Your average Reverse Lampion has more than a 20 base att lead over a Night Raven Claw. That's hard to beat regardless of how good your gear is in a normal training situation. Even with Onyx Apples you'll be needing a hell of a lot of attack for a Night Raven to win that contest. Even if the Night Raven is better scrolled by 5-6 attack, it's still at a disadvantage.

...you realize most people use dex/luk items instead of items chaosed for a bunch of attack

And for them, at around 130-140, low-dex would be the better decision. Before then the atk gap is huuuge. My Hermit barely gets 4.5luk:1atk and with a 160 dex claw, that's potentially up to 135 difference in base dex, or about 30 atk. I can't afford to beat even a 45 Skanda by that much.

Alright so what I'm seeing is that it depends on my funding. So say with around 3-4b in funding, what would be most beneficial?

Correct answer:

Whichever one has the most accumulated weapon-attack + LUK combined, wins.

Correct answer:

Whichever one has the most accumulated weapon-attack + LUK combined, wins.

Well I'm not too familiar with prices but I can make a decent guess:

Dexless:
16 luk zhelm
2 atk fs
3/10 luk PAC
20 Luk Sauna
10 Atk, 5 Luk MoN
13 attack glove
54 attack skanda 3 luk
10 luk earrings

I'll say 25 base dex, 800 luk

109 total attack, 864 luk

Low-dex:
16 luk 25 dex zhelm
12 dex BSS
3/10 dex pac
10 atk 5 luk 5 dex mon
13 attack glove
66 attack sleeve
18 luk 2 dex top
15 dex bottom
10 dex earrings

39 luk bonus, 79 dex bonus

71 base dex, 754 luk

total 119 attack, 793 luk

Both have ilbis and are using warrior elixirs.

Low dex:
Minimum Damage: 2255
Maximum Damage: 3975

Dexless:
Minimum Damage: 2129
Maximum Damage: 3860

Low-dex has a higher damage range, this means it has a higher DPM? Is there any mistakes in my calculations? Does the funding look equal?

Correct answer:

Whichever one has the most accumulated weapon-attack + LUK combined, wins.

I always thought it's the attk:luk ratio closest to 1 wins since it's hyperbolic. (Naturally, this is assuming we're talking high level with "good gears". No point looking at a noob thief.)

what if a dexless had a godly skanda like 12 luk 67 att? Would the dexless still be weaker than the low dex?

DoT = Abbreviation for "Damage Over Time" in MMORPGs, for attacks such as burning or bleeding.

Source :f6:


Who needs funding if you have dots?

what if a dexless had a godly skanda like 12 luk 67 att? Would the dexless still be weaker than the low dex?

It depends on the rest of the gear as a whole. When presented with this kind of question one can't afford to be myopic. It isn't about if a certain claw will make the build stronger than a counterpart, but instead the entire scope of gear used by the character.

Started off dexless and converted to low-dex and its increased my range by about 200 ^_^