TFindlay Wrote:Well the onyx blade is a 1h sword, so it'll have less range and a lower dmg formula than a 2h sword. Also, I'm pretty sure it is fast (5), while the lionheart as well as the jap map is fast (4). Lionheart is also 55 atk base clean, not 45, and it's also 10 levels lower so you can use it earlier. A 100% lionheart will do more damage over time than a 100% onyx blade, as well as coming pretty close in damage per hit.

You should definitely get the lionheart, then switch over to the japanese map if you can at lv 50. Those 2 swords are the best options available and pretty much pwn everything else.

modular Wrote:use a fusion mace for lvl 25-31ish. you have no mastery so your damage is crap either way, but the mace is faster(3). switch back to swords when you have some mastery and/or booster and theres a real ADVANTAGE to using a slower weapon.

modular Wrote:hmm... i went for a lion's fang and skipped sparta when i was in your position, but lionheart has to be getting weak in comparison to what you could be using so a new sword is a good idea.

for rk - 97% of the w att will approximately match sparta in dps, and about 110% of the w att will approximately match damage per hit. ( 87 - 89 att for dps, 99 - 102 w att for dph; numbers for sword/shield combo)

KajitiSouls Wrote:What he's saying is that you'll barely make more damage with RK than with 2h Sparta. Unless you can get a good watk shield, I would make the suggestion of sticking with 2h swords, unless they're too expensive.

modular Wrote:actually, since average rk is 83, you can 100% an average or better rk and itll give more dps than a 90 sparta. if you scroll w/ 60% scrolls youll never need doombringer and it may be a better choice than any lvl 80 sword. if you get a godly one, say 103+, its a valid choice for end game sword because its fast4. if you have an attack shield, thats just a bonus. you dont need one for it to be better. does ems have shield att scrolls yet?

lower damage per hit only matters if you kill monsters in more hits because of it. and, as always, 1h is a poor choice at gobies, but thats the only place ive found where 2h truely is better.

KajitiSouls Wrote:Your math was not very clear. I thought you were comparing clean RKs with clean Spartas.

modular Wrote:i was comparing the attack needed on a katana to match up to the 90 sparta

shine of voice Wrote:To be honest a 1h sword isn't really worth using unless it's godly scrolled in comparison to your 2h sword or you have a watk shield. I'd switch to using a japanese map if you can get one and get a decently scrolled screamer at 80.

shine of voice Wrote:To be honest a 1h sword isn't really worth using unless it's godly scrolled in comparison to your 2h sword or you have a watk shield. I'd switch to using a japanese map if you can get one and get a decently scrolled screamer at 80. I'm not sure how accessible watk shield scrolls are in your server but getting a decently scrolled one along with a decent red katana should be your ultimate goal. After that, unless your screamer is really godly scrolled (115+ or so) I'd try to get a 110 or so devils sunrise. That should last you for a while, and from there you can try to get a decent dragon claymore or work towards a shield/katana set.

Alternatively you could continue with 2h and use a stonetooth in your later levels, but there are many complications with this (not the least of which is cost of the sword itself, let alone the dex you're going to need).

Quote:you didnt even read the thread. ems doesnt have all this godly crap. a 108 ds is godly for ems. a 102 screamer is godly for ems.

Quote:you also show you have no knowledge of how to best use 1h swords. youre just some damage whore who likes big shiny numbers, and the best way to get those with 1h is with a shield. but it isnt necessary if the 1h is well scrolled. especially a katana.

shine of voice Wrote:I wasn't aware. I'm just working off my knowledge of gMS. I find those "godly" kind of hard to believe since that's only 4 60s. Do you really think they can't land a simple 10 on their weapons?



Uh excuse me if I'm missing something but what do you mean "how to best use them"? They have shorter range and a lower mod then a 2hs, the only thing they really have on 2hs as a sader is the fact that you can get orbs faster, but the pure damage negates that.

I've experimented levelling as a sader with both 1h and 2h and 2h simply allowed me to kill faster and give me faster levelling. You can disagree but there's no need to flame.