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How much %pdr do you atually need? - Ivangold - 2016-02-14
I have 91%pdr in my marksman, and i was whiling to reset my hyper stat since marksman already have %pdr from passive and snipe, and how much %pdr is enough for most bosses?
Do 100%pdr make me pass the elemental decrease?
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Grey - 2016-02-14
Empress and Chaos Von Bon have 100% PDR, Hard Magnus and Chaos Crimson Queen have 120% PDR, Chaos Pink Bean and his statues have 180%, Chaos Vellum and Lotus have 300% PDR, and basically every other boss has less than 100%. How much Ignore DEF you need depends on what bosses you want to do.
You need at least 67% Ignore DEF to do more than 1 damage on the 300% PDR bosses (because that's the minimum it takes to reduce their PDR to 99%, meaning you would do 1% of your damage).
At ~67%, 100% PDR bosses have 33% PDR (you do 67% of your damage), 120% PDR bosses have ~40% PDR (you do 60% of your damage), 180% PDR bosses have ~60% PDR (you do 40% of your damage), and like I said above, 300% PDR bosses have ~99% (you do 1% of your damage).
I've seen people recommend you have 93% Ignore DEF, which means you would do 93% of your damage on 100% PDR bosses, ~92% on 120% PDR bosses, ~87% on 180% PDR bosses, and ~80% on 300% PDR bosses. If you're fine doing less damage, you can have less than 93%, and if you don't plan on doing Chaos Vellum or Lotus, then I wouldn't worry that much about it getting to 93%.
And no, Ignore DEF has no effect on elemental resistance.
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Faze - 2016-02-15
Awesome explanation Grey!
How much %pdr do you atually need? - PirateIzzy - 2016-02-15
Grey Wrote:Empress and Chaos Von Bon have 100% PDR, Hard Magnus and Chaos Crimson Queen have 120% PDR, Chaos Pink Bean and his statues have 180%, Chaos Vellum and Lotus have 300% PDR, and basically every other boss has less than 100%. How much Ignore DEF you need depends on what bosses you want to do.
You need at least 67% Ignore DEF to do more than 1 damage on the 300% PDR bosses (because that's the minimum it takes to reduce their PDR to 99%, meaning you would do 1% of your damage).
At ~67%, 100% PDR bosses have 33% PDR (you do 67% of your damage), 120% PDR bosses have ~40% PDR (you do 60% of your damage), 180% PDR bosses have ~60% PDR (you do 40% of your damage), and like I said above, 300% PDR bosses have ~99% (you do 1% of your damage).
I've seen people recommend you have 93% Ignore DEF, which means you would do 93% of your damage on 100% PDR bosses, ~92% on 120% PDR bosses, ~87% on 180% PDR bosses, and ~80% on 300% PDR bosses. If you're fine doing less damage, you can have less than 93%, and if you don't plan on doing Chaos Vellum or Lotus, then I wouldn't worry that much about it getting to 93%.
And no, Ignore DEF has no effect on elemental resistance.
Also, Dorothy has 250% PDR/MDR.
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Ivangold - 2016-02-15
If i have more than 93%, would i hit more than 93%damage on 100%pdr?
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Grey - 2016-02-15
Yes, your damage will continue to increase as you approach 100% Ignore DEF and 100% of your damage. You'll need greater amounts of Ignore DEF for much smaller increases in damage, so it's up to you if it's worth it.
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Ivangold - 2016-02-19
Also, what's the math about PDR?
like every x pdr would increase your damage by y in a boss with 120% and it goes on.
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Five Second Pose - 2016-02-19
First you need to calculate how much PDR you need to do any damage to it, so in your 120% example you need to ignore 20%. 20% (amount you want to ignore)/120%(total PDR) gives you 16.67%. After that you multiply 100-that percentage (so 100-16.67 = 0.833) by the defense the monster has to see how much damage it resists. In this case it would ignore 0.833 * 120 = 99.96% damage so you'd do 0.04%. After that instead of 16.67% ignore you'd use 18% or whatever amount of defense ignore you want instead. Then you can start changing the 120% to whatever defense the monster has and start from the beginning if you want to change monsters.
The core concept is that of diminishing marginal returns - the more defense ignore you have, the less an additional point of defense ignore will increase your damage by, as Grey said.
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Weariness - 2016-02-22
Question:
Using Chaos Vellum as an example, with 300% PDR, having 67% Ignore Def would mean the player is hitting 1% of his regular damage on the boss.
So if a player is hitting cap damage of 50m with just 67% Ignore Def, does it means his original damage is effectively 5b per line?
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Shads - 2016-02-22
Weariness Wrote:Question:
Using Chaos Vellum as an example, with 300% PDR, having 67% Ignore Def would mean the player is hitting 1% of his regular damage on the boss.
So if a player is hitting cap damage of 50m with just 67% Ignore Def, does it means his original damage is effectively 5b per line?
it's impossible because his damage wouldnt be 1% it would be 0%.
Edit: apparently doing the math it would bring you to 1% damage but you'd also get half your damage cut by elemental resist so it would be 7.5b? (But I feel like my math isnt right so I dont want to say this is correct either.)
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Grey - 2016-02-22
Elemental resistance halves your damage, so if you do 50m on Chaos Vellum you'd do 10b (with a damage cap greater than or equal to 10b) on a hypothetical boss with no PDR or elemental resistance.
How much %pdr do you atually need? - Weariness - 2016-02-22
Oh yea, forget to include elemental resistance.
Is the value 10b or even higher even plausible?
Since it is possible to hit 50m per line with just 67% IED.