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People And Roles - Eos - 2012-06-28
This seems to be a hard concept for many, so bears a little review as we have both new users and new moderators.
We all have roles. It's important to keep the distinction between the role and the person.
When a person takes on the responsibility of a role, they're not just the person they used to be. They're now two distinct entities, the person you knew, and The Role.
Regardless of their personal thoughts, feelings, tendencies or interests, when acting within the parameters of their role they are for the most part not necessarily themselves.
This separation of self from role is absolutely vital to actually performing the necessary functions of the role.
Take for example Bob and Ted. Best friends for life. Ted is a police officer, this is his role. If Bob does something illegal that Ted is aware of, Ted has to choose between being Bob's best friend, or fulfilling the obligations of his role as a police officer.
To be a good police officer Ted has to disregard everything personal regarding the situation and act as his role, not himself.
To be a good friend Ted would have be untrue to his role, and consequently risk his job and possibly his future and freedom, just to give Bob an unfair advantage. Would a good friend honestly expect someone to do that for them?
Likewise, should a good friend hold a person responsible for fulfilling the obligations of their role? No, for several reasons. First and foremost it isn't Ted choosing to exert power of Bob, it's a case of Bob having done wrong and a duly appointed officer addressing it. The fact the person fulfilling the role of that officer happens to be Ted should not matter. Ted would not be in the position of having to enforce the law if Bob hadn't broken it in the first place. The consequences are the exact same whether it was Ted that caught Bob or someone else. If Bob is a good friend he should be the one apologizing to Ted for having put him in such a crappy situation in the first place, not Ted having to apologize to Bob for having to do his job.
Apply that now to our situation; If a moderator infracts you, it's not personal. It literally has nothing to do with you as a person, or their personal feelings. If you post a scathing comment about someone that's absolutely true and hilarious, as a person they may agree 100% with it and find it funny. As a moderator, they're going to infract it because it was a violation and infracting for flaming is what the role does. Granted, yes, if you're a complete ass to them they may take pleasure in seeing you infracted, but you weren't infracted to please them, you infracted for breaking a rule and any other moderator would've done the same. In many cases if a moderator feels they may be biased they'll report rather than infracting so another moderator makes the call and confirms that they're not acting on bias.
If your thread gets closed or deleted, it doesn't mean the moderators hate you. If you're told to drop a subject it's because the subject is inappropriate, off topic or done, not because your opinion is of any less value than anyone else's.
Rick said this is in is own way long ago and it bears repeating; Get thicker skin people. It's not all about you as a person. You have a role here too as a User. When moderation occurs it's to the user, not the person, in almost all cases. No one should be getting their asses bent out of shape over the interaction of two pseudo-entities with no personal connection to each other.
People And Roles - ShinkuDragon - 2012-06-28
this should be common knowledge (haven't seen any power-hungry mods), who complained this time? this is two PSA's in a row o.o
People And Roles - ThatWasMyKil - 2012-06-28
Quote:To be a good police officer Ted has to disregard everything personal regarding the situation and act as his role, not himself.
You should pop in on Australia when you get a chance man the shit we get away with.
People And Roles - Eos - 2012-06-28
ThatWasMyKil Wrote:You should pop in on Australia when you get a chance man the shit we get away with.
You wouldn't consider them good police officers then, would you?
People And Roles - ShinkuDragon - 2012-06-28
here you give the cop some lunch or 5 bucks and you're set lol. not good officers at all
People And Roles - MrTouchnGo - 2012-06-28
This problem actually came up in our alliance a couple days ago when a guild leader was asked to expel someone for breaking rules. The way the guild leader handled the situation did not please me at all.
People And Roles - KajitiSouls - 2012-06-29
I took my infraction like a man, and so should you. Cause I realized it was wrong to have done what I did.
People And Roles - ImagineAll - 2012-07-01
Nothing was better than Harrison thinking he could get away with things because Rick became a mod. Lololol.
People And Roles - Dystopiq - 2012-07-01
I completely understand what you mean Eos. As a member of the US Army, there are things I can and cannot do. There is standard I am held to and at all times am required to meet it. Regardless of what political, religious, or moral opinions I may have regarding a situation, I am required to behave or act in a professional manner regardless of how I feel about the situation. It's not easy, but it takes, as you said, thick skin but also some degree of maturity and professionalism. Personally, I think people nowadays, especially the younger ones are pansies. Take the ass chewing and move on with your life. Nothing personal, it's just business.
People And Roles - Eos - 2012-07-01
ImagineAll Wrote:Nothing was better than Harrison thinking he could get away with things because Rick became a mod. Lololol.
I think Rick rather disagreed with that being the best.
Dystopiq Wrote:I completely understand what you mean Eos. As a member of the US Army, there are things I can and cannot do.
A very good example, because you're not just a person, you're property.
People And Roles - Five Second Pose - 2012-07-01
Eos Wrote:I think Rick rather disagreed with that being the best.
In this case one person isn't enough to ruin the enjoyment of the masses.
ilu rick don't kill me
People And Roles - Dystopiq - 2012-07-02
Eos Wrote:I think Rick rather disagreed with that being the best.
A very good example, because you're not just a person, you're property.
It's more sad when you hear it coming from another person. -_-'' My contract finishes this January. I'll be a civilian again. With a pomegranate ton of cash in his bank account! CHACHING!
People And Roles - Eos - 2012-07-02
Dystopiq Wrote:My contract finishes this January. I'll be a civilian again.
My brother should be celebrating his 25th year this October.
I think he plans to escape and be a civilian contractor managing & maintaining UAVs. That's a CHACHING
People And Roles - Dystopiq - 2012-07-04
Eos Wrote:My brother should be celebrating his 25th year this October.
I think he plans to escape and be a civilian contractor managing & maintaining UAVs. That's a CHACHING
If he works in Afganistan maintaining them, he can expect 6 digit figures.
People And Roles - Rick - 2012-07-04
ImagineAll Wrote:Nothing was better than Harrison thinking he could get away with things because Rick became a mod. Lololol.
Yes. So funny
